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[zan]

The north is bankrupt, its economy is not and never will be viable without subsidy from the mainland or economic intergration with the ROC Even the carpetbaggers are getting fed up, they have started North Cyprus Free Press because freedom of expression about how bad things are in the north are frowned on.

"North Cyprus Free Press is a newspaper set up to allow free expression for north Cyprus residents and other well-wishers."

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/200 ... scientist/

Yet you chose to ignore your own "free press" and ridicule them....Funny that!!!

Explain Examples

By the way....Just in case you took it personally, I used the "You" in the royal sense.


Just look at this Forum......When ever we post anything remotely detrimental to the Hellenic idea the author is vilified.....The tip of the iceberg or normal operations......You picked up this story as if it is something that we should fear instead of be proud of.......`they will point out problems in the TRNC as every other paper does in any other country......

[Jerry]

The north is bankrupt, its economy is not and never will be viable without subsidy from the mainland or economic intergration with the ROC Even the carpetbaggers are getting fed up, they have started North Cyprus Free Press because freedom of expression about how bad things are in the north are frowned on.

"North Cyprus Free Press is a newspaper set up to allow free expression for north Cyprus residents and other well-wishers."

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/200 ... scientist/

Yet you chose to ignore your own "free press" and ridicule them....Funny that!!!

Explain Examples

By the way....Just in case you took it personally, I used the "You" in the royal sense.


Just look at this Forum......When ever we post anything remotely detrimental to the Hellenic idea the author is vilified.....The tip of the iceberg or normal operations......You picked up this story as if it is something that we should fear instead of be proud of.......`they will point out problems in the TRNC as every other paper does in any other country......

I'm not sure how "Royal" GCs are, you mean plural or as the frogs would say "vous".

The NCFP is in fact aimed mainly at the Brits I believe and judging by some of their contributions it is THEY who are vilifying the trnc.

I have always considered myself to know the difference between right and wrong. What Turkey has done to the occupied part of Cyprus is, in my opinion, fundamentally wrong. Yes, the ROC and some of its citizens have wronged some Turkish Cypriots since 1960 but it pales into insignificance when compared to the crimes of the Turkish Government and its puppet regime.

You can never expect a fair solution to the problem when your principle aim appears to be the permanent punishment of Greek Cypriots. You (plural) lean on events of 40 years ago to support your ridiculous claim of equality of the communities and independence and yet without the prop from the mainland your "state" would have collapsed years ago.

Turkey has taken you for suckers, first of all they threw out the GCs and now they are ensuring that those they came to "save" are a fast disappearing minority in neverland.

It's time to smell the Greek Cypriot coffee and see where your future lies.

PS don't bother with all the usual "but you did this and that to us and we suffered crap" I've heard it all before. You came off worse in the inter-communal struggle because of what you are - a minority.

[zan]

The north is bankrupt, its economy is not and never will be viable without subsidy from the mainland or economic intergration with the ROC Even the carpetbaggers are getting fed up, they have started North Cyprus Free Press because freedom of expression about how bad things are in the north are frowned on.

"North Cyprus Free Press is a newspaper set up to allow free expression for north Cyprus residents and other well-wishers."

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/200 ... scientist/

Yet you chose to ignore your own "free press" and ridicule them....Funny that!!!

Explain Examples

By the way....Just in case you took it personally, I used the "You" in the royal sense.


Just look at this Forum......When ever we post anything remotely detrimental to the Hellenic idea the author is vilified.....The tip of the iceberg or normal operations......You picked up this story as if it is something that we should fear instead of be proud of.......`they will point out problems in the TRNC as every other paper does in any other country......

I'm not sure how "Royal" GCs are, you mean plural or as the frogs would say "vous".

The NCFP is in fact aimed mainly at the Brits I believe and judging by some of their contributions it is THEY who are vilifying the trnc.

I have always considered myself to know the difference between right and wrong. What Turkey has done to the occupied part of Cyprus is, in my opinion, fundamentally wrong. Yes, the ROC and some of its citizens have wronged some Turkish Cypriots since 1960 but it pales into insignificance when compared to the crimes of the Turkish Government and its puppet regime.

You can never expect a fair solution to the problem when your principle aim appears to be the permanent punishment of Greek Cypriots. You (plural) lean on events of 40 years ago to support your ridiculous claim of equality of the communities and independence and yet without the prop from the mainland your "state" would have collapsed years ago.

Turkey has taken you for suckers, first of all they threw out the GCs and now they are ensuring that those they came to "save" are a fast disappearing minority in neverland.

It's time to smell the Greek Cypriot coffee and see where your future lies.

PS don't bother with all the usual "but you did this and that to us and we suffered crap" I've heard it all before. You came off worse in the inter-communal struggle because of what you are - a minority.

Jerry....Me going on about the 1963/74 is just one part of argument....That was to clear up any GC propaganda


And.....You just contradicted yourself...Either Turkey is bad for us or they helped support us and stopped our demise. You surely can't argue that the embargoes imposed by the GCs and the harassment of TC businesses and the tourist industry is not harming us. I agree that Turkey could have done more but it is a question of balance. A matter of countering Greek aggression. We did what we had to do to survive. The Annan plan tried to find that balance and even if you (singular) think that the plan was flawed then why oh why wasn't it contested before it went to vote. Day after day of going backwards and forwards trying to find a fair way. If the GCs didn't want it then they should have refused to go to the voting stage. Why the double cross? I think we both know the answer in that the "RoC" knew that it would get into the EU and then try to force a decision. How can one trust a partner or associate, which ever pleases you most, after such a trick?

[Jerry]

The north is bankrupt, its economy is not and never will be viable without subsidy from the mainland or economic intergration with the ROC Even the carpetbaggers are getting fed up, they have started North Cyprus Free Press because freedom of expression about how bad things are in the north are frowned on.

"North Cyprus Free Press is a newspaper set up to allow free expression for north Cyprus residents and other well-wishers."

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/200 ... scientist/

Yet you chose to ignore your own "free press" and ridicule them....Funny that!!!

Explain Examples

By the way....Just in case you took it personally, I used the "You" in the royal sense.


Just look at this Forum......When ever we post anything remotely detrimental to the Hellenic idea the author is vilified.....The tip of the iceberg or normal operations......You picked up this story as if it is something that we should fear instead of be proud of.......`they will point out problems in the TRNC as every other paper does in any other country......

I'm not sure how "Royal" GCs are, you mean plural or as the frogs would say "vous".

The NCFP is in fact aimed mainly at the Brits I believe and judging by some of their contributions it is THEY who are vilifying the trnc.

I have always considered myself to know the difference between right and wrong. What Turkey has done to the occupied part of Cyprus is, in my opinion, fundamentally wrong. Yes, the ROC and some of its citizens have wronged some Turkish Cypriots since 1960 but it pales into insignificance when compared to the crimes of the Turkish Government and its puppet regime.

You can never expect a fair solution to the problem when your principle aim appears to be the permanent punishment of Greek Cypriots. You (plural) lean on events of 40 years ago to support your ridiculous claim of equality of the communities and independence and yet without the prop from the mainland your "state" would have collapsed years ago.

Turkey has taken you for suckers, first of all they threw out the GCs and now they are ensuring that those they came to "save" are a fast disappearing minority in neverland.

It's time to smell the Greek Cypriot coffee and see where your future lies.

PS don't bother with all the usual "but you did this and that to us and we suffered crap" I've heard it all before. You came off worse in the inter-communal struggle because of what you are - a minority.

Jerry....Me going on about the 1963/74 is just one part of argument....That was to clear up any GC propaganda


And.....You just contradicted yourself...Either Turkey is bad for us or they helped support us and stopped our demise. You surely can't argue that the embargoes imposed by the GCs and the harassment of TC businesses and the tourist industry is not harming us. I agree that Turkey could have done more but it is a question of balance. A matter of countering Greek aggression. We did what we had to do to survive. The Annan plan tried to find that balance and even if you (singular) think that the plan was flawed then why oh why wasn't it contested before it went to vote. Day after day of going backwards and forwards trying to find a fair way. If the GCs didn't want it then they should have refused to go to the voting stage. Why the double cross? I think we both know the answer in that the "RoC" knew that it would get into the EU and then try to force a decision. How can one trust a partner or associate, which ever pleases you most, after such a trick?

I'm not sure what you mean about contradicting myself, if you mean about throwing out the GCs to "stop your demise" you failed to understand the real reason they did that. Indeed the occupation by Turkey has hastened your extinction. Greek agression, Annan Plan - bollocks, you know the coutner arguments so I won't waste our time.

[zan]

The north is bankrupt, its economy is not and never will be viable without subsidy from the mainland or economic intergration with the ROC Even the carpetbaggers are getting fed up, they have started North Cyprus Free Press because freedom of expression about how bad things are in the north are frowned on.

"North Cyprus Free Press is a newspaper set up to allow free expression for north Cyprus residents and other well-wishers."

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/200 ... scientist/

Yet you chose to ignore your own "free press" and ridicule them....Funny that!!!

Explain Examples

By the way....Just in case you took it personally, I used the "You" in the royal sense.


Just look at this Forum......When ever we post anything remotely detrimental to the Hellenic idea the author is vilified.....The tip of the iceberg or normal operations......You picked up this story as if it is something that we should fear instead of be proud of.......`they will point out problems in the TRNC as every other paper does in any other country......

I'm not sure how "Royal" GCs are, you mean plural or as the frogs would say "vous".

The NCFP is in fact aimed mainly at the Brits I believe and judging by some of their contributions it is THEY who are vilifying the trnc.

I have always considered myself to know the difference between right and wrong. What Turkey has done to the occupied part of Cyprus is, in my opinion, fundamentally wrong. Yes, the ROC and some of its citizens have wronged some Turkish Cypriots since 1960 but it pales into insignificance when compared to the crimes of the Turkish Government and its puppet regime.

You can never expect a fair solution to the problem when your principle aim appears to be the permanent punishment of Greek Cypriots. You (plural) lean on events of 40 years ago to support your ridiculous claim of equality of the communities and independence and yet without the prop from the mainland your "state" would have collapsed years ago.

Turkey has taken you for suckers, first of all they threw out the GCs and now they are ensuring that those they came to "save" are a fast disappearing minority in neverland.

It's time to smell the Greek Cypriot coffee and see where your future lies.

PS don't bother with all the usual "but you did this and that to us and we suffered crap" I've heard it all before. You came off worse in the inter-communal struggle because of what you are - a minority.

Jerry....Me going on about the 1963/74 is just one part of argument....That was to clear up any GC propaganda


And.....You just contradicted yourself...Either Turkey is bad for us or they helped support us and stopped our demise. You surely can't argue that the embargoes imposed by the GCs and the harassment of TC businesses and the tourist industry is not harming us. I agree that Turkey could have done more but it is a question of balance. A matter of countering Greek aggression. We did what we had to do to survive. The Annan plan tried to find that balance and even if you (singular) think that the plan was flawed then why oh why wasn't it contested before it went to vote. Day after day of going backwards and forwards trying to find a fair way. If the GCs didn't want it then they should have refused to go to the voting stage. Why the double cross? I think we both know the answer in that the "RoC" knew that it would get into the EU and then try to force a decision. How can one trust a partner or associate, which ever pleases you most, after such a trick?

I'm not sure what you mean about contradicting myself, if you mean about throwing out the GCs to "stop your demise" you failed to understand the real reason they did that. Indeed the occupation by Turkey has hastened your extinction. Greek agression, Annan Plan - bollocks, you know the coutner arguments so I won't waste our time.

Unfortunately a counter argument is not a conclusion....


There are many real reasons floating about Jerry....You have selected yours (See above for clarification)

[Piratis]

Your challenge, Piratis, was taken up by your protege Tassos Papadopoulos, long before you even began to think about it. That was in Helsinki in 2005 when he spoke about partition being the next best option. Of course, Papadopoulos was referring to your second option which wily Papadopoulos knew that it was no go.

However, anyone who thinks that our options are just the two you so pompously declared, will eventually succumb to the idea that partition is the second best solution, just like Papadopoulos, unless you provide the methos by which the second option will be attained.

Hung on, I think I am not being just with you Piratis, my apologies. You did offer solution on several occasions. We should wait for the balance of power to change, you said.

Bananiot, if the options are (a) Unification (b) Partition, then Greek Cypriots will choose (a) Unification, and this is obvious. As I said anybody who doubts this should accept to take the challenge I set earlier.

If Unification is not given to us as an option, and instead the options are (a) no solution - continue the struggle for unification (b) Accept de jure partition (with some Annan partition plan or similar), then the Cypriot people would always choose (a).

This shows that no kind of partition is considered as an acceptable "solution" by the Cypriot people. So we will reject any and all partition plans until a true unification becomes an option.

Even if you are a pessimist and you believe that a true unification will never became an option, still we are better off with the status quo or even with a "trnc" becoming Taiwan (which was your prediction and you were proven wrong), than agreeing to some Annan partition plan that not only would officially partition the island and recognize the north part of our country as being "Turkish", but would also give the power to Turkey to control the whole Cyprus. Now we have 2/3rd of Cyprus free and 1/3rd illegally occupied. The aim should be to liberate that 1/3rd, not to "unify" Cyprus by enslaving the other 2/3rds as well!

[B25]

Now we have 2/3rd of Cyprus free and 1/3rd illegally occupied. The aim should be to liberate that 1/3rd, not to "unify" Cyprus by enslaving the other 2/3rds as well!

Amen! Piratis.

ignore Bananiot theli mono na mas poulisi stos tourkos.

He is an enemy of the state and threatens our cause for liberation. Damn him to hell.

[cymart]

Whether some people like what he writes or not,he often says the truth without pulling any punches!!I have been saying for a long time that anyone visiting the G.C. area of Cyprus that does not know the history or go anywhere near the border and stays in Paphos or Limassol could easily think they are in a normal country where people are quite happy with their daily routine...Ask most people if they want the situation to change and some will say definitely not as they are happy as they are while many others will be indifferent and say not if it would involve any risks.....This is as big an obstacle to overcome as finding a solution and its high time Christophias started an enlightenment campaign to tell people what they would gain from a solution and why the present situation cannot continue any longer,otherwise a new referendum will have the same result as the last one.....

[Viewpoint]

Now we have 2/3rd of Cyprus free and 1/3rd illegally occupied. The aim should be to liberate that 1/3rd, not to "unify" Cyprus by enslaving the other 2/3rds as well!

Amen! Piratis.

ignore Bananiot theli mono na mas poulisi stos tourkos.

He is an enemy of the state and threatens our cause for liberation. Damn him to hell.

And you are 100% our enemy.

[Sotos]

Whether some people like what he writes or not,he often says the truth without pulling any punches!!

Does he believe in ghosts like you do? Only a person with your IQ would take an idiot like Loucas Charalambous seriously.