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Hermes

Accepting the human rights of the Turkish Cypriots and accepting the existence of the "TRNC" are two completely different scenarios. Challenging the legality of the northern pseudo-state and pointing out its ridiculous delusions does not mean I deny the very real rights of Turkish Cypriots to live in peace in a unified island.

The division is a direct result of the mistakes of the past to which you to contributed...its exactly because of those mistakes that we today cannot find a structure that will ensure everyones human rights, safety and shared democracy...so the TRNC is a direct results of your own actions it will remain in force as long as the GCs and TCs are not won over by anything new plan put before them, never forget we have just as much right and weight as you do, so under no circumstancies will you be able to move forward without our say so.

The "TRNC" is the consequence of Turkey's partitionist agenda since the 1950s. The ROC rejects this agenda and will accept no deal that legitimises the occupation. Turkey needs a solution in Cyprus so that it can join the EU. That solution needs to satisfy the G/Cs as without our consent Turkey cannot join the EU.

If Turkey is serious about joining the EU then it will have to cut a deal on Cyprus. Any other alternative kills its EU ambitions stone dead. The question is: how badly does Turkey want to join the EU? Under no circumstances will Turkey be able to move forward without our say so.

Turkey's EU accession has nothing to do with Cyprus problem. Turco-Phobic and islamo-phobic EU countries will always look for excuses and moreover create obstacles for Turkey, in order not to allow her become a full EU member.

Turkey's efforts of EU accession arise from her western politics which in essential is one of the ROT's basic principles. Turkey has already built up the first step of the Asian alliance by getting into multifaceted and deep relations with 3 Turkic states... In 2 to 5 years u will witness to the establishment of Asian Union. This union won't let greedy Europeans to steal the rich natural resources of Asia...

As for Cyprus, don't see yourself in giant's mirror... in 1 to 2 years the parameters of the solution of Cyprus problem will be changed. It is cyrstal clear to everyone that a solution acceptable to both GC and TC people is not possible...

Then why is Turkey even negotiating with the ROC if it doesn't want to get into the EU? The truth is Turkey is only at the negotiating table because the occupation of Cyprus is the main obstacle to EU membership. Turkey's accession course passes through Cyprus. If you don't get this simple fact then you haven't been paying attention.

You conveniently forget that the present situation is unsustainable for the northern enclave. It depends entirely on hand outs from Turkey. Without a solution the G/Cs will turn the screw diplomatically, legally and economically. You consistently underestimate the legal, economic and diplomatic aspects of the occupation believing that 40,000 troops can secure you what you want.

A state (even a pseudo one) is more than its army. Your politicians realise this fact even if you clearly don't.

[insan]

Hermes

Accepting the human rights of the Turkish Cypriots and accepting the existence of the "TRNC" are two completely different scenarios. Challenging the legality of the northern pseudo-state and pointing out its ridiculous delusions does not mean I deny the very real rights of Turkish Cypriots to live in peace in a unified island.

The division is a direct result of the mistakes of the past to which you to contributed...its exactly because of those mistakes that we today cannot find a structure that will ensure everyones human rights, safety and shared democracy...so the TRNC is a direct results of your own actions it will remain in force as long as the GCs and TCs are not won over by anything new plan put before them, never forget we have just as much right and weight as you do, so under no circumstancies will you be able to move forward without our say so.

The "TRNC" is the consequence of Turkey's partitionist agenda since the 1950s. The ROC rejects this agenda and will accept no deal that legitimises the occupation. Turkey needs a solution in Cyprus so that it can join the EU. That solution needs to satisfy the G/Cs as without our consent Turkey cannot join the EU.

If Turkey is serious about joining the EU then it will have to cut a deal on Cyprus. Any other alternative kills its EU ambitions stone dead. The question is: how badly does Turkey want to join the EU? Under no circumstances will Turkey be able to move forward without our say so.

Turkey's EU accession has nothing to do with Cyprus problem. Turco-Phobic and islamo-phobic EU countries will always look for excuses and moreover create obstacles for Turkey, in order not to allow her become a full EU member.

Turkey's efforts of EU accession arise from her western politics which in essential is one of the ROT's basic principles. Turkey has already built up the first step of the Asian alliance by getting into multifaceted and deep relations with 3 Turkic states... In 2 to 5 years u will witness to the establishment of Asian Union. This union won't let greedy Europeans to steal the rich natural resources of Asia...

As for Cyprus, don't see yourself in giant's mirror... in 1 to 2 years the parameters of the solution of Cyprus problem will be changed. It is cyrstal clear to everyone that a solution acceptable to both GC and TC people is not possible...

Then why is Turkey even negotiating with the ROC if it doesn't want to get into the EU? The truth is Turkey is only at the negotiating table because the occupation of Cyprus is the main obstacle to EU membership. Turkey's accession course passes through Cyprus. If you don't get this simple fact then you haven't been paying attention.

You conveniently forget that the present situation is unsustainable for the northern enclave. It depends entirely on hand outs from Turkey. Without a solution the G/Cs will turn the screw diplomatically, legally and economically. You consistently underestimate the legal, economic and diplomatic aspects of the occupation believing that 40,000 troops can secure you what you want.

A state (even a pseudo one) is more than its army. Your politicians realise this fact even if you clearly don't.

Hermes, Turkey constitute only one element of solution of Cyprus problem... Turkey has never negotiated with the so-called RoC for her EU accession... When did this negotiation happened?

Turkey will never recognise the so-called RoC; under no circumstances. If even it costs her suspension or cancelation of EU talks...

I have never claimed that status-quo is sustainable but solution of Cyprus problem has never meant to us TCs or Turkey accepting the minority rights and will never be... Moreover, no one has any right to force TCs or Turkey accepting minority status for TCs in Cyprus. If you don't get this simple fact then you haven't been paying attention.

U r free to take any legal or diplomatic action which in it's essentials is not the human rights of refugees u care but making TCs a minority in Cyprus... and u think we r not aware of this and we won't come with counter legal and diplomatic actions...

The time is approaching anyway...

[Viewpoint]

Hermes

Accepting the human rights of the Turkish Cypriots and accepting the existence of the "TRNC" are two completely different scenarios. Challenging the legality of the northern pseudo-state and pointing out its ridiculous delusions does not mean I deny the very real rights of Turkish Cypriots to live in peace in a unified island.

The division is a direct result of the mistakes of the past to which you to contributed...its exactly because of those mistakes that we today cannot find a structure that will ensure everyones human rights, safety and shared democracy...so the TRNC is a direct results of your own actions it will remain in force as long as the GCs and TCs are not won over by anything new plan put before them, never forget we have just as much right and weight as you do, so under no circumstancies will you be able to move forward without our say so.

The "TRNC" is the consequence of Turkey's partitionist agenda since the 1950s. The ROC rejects this agenda and will accept no deal that legitimises the occupation. Turkey needs a solution in Cyprus so that it can join the EU. That solution needs to satisfy the G/Cs as without our consent Turkey cannot join the EU.

If Turkey is serious about joining the EU then it will have to cut a deal on Cyprus. Any other alternative kills its EU ambitions stone dead. The question is: how badly does Turkey want to join the EU? Under no circumstances will Turkey be able to move forward without our say so.

Turkey's EU accession has nothing to do with Cyprus problem. Turco-Phobic and islamo-phobic EU countries will always look for excuses and moreover create obstacles for Turkey, in order not to allow her become a full EU member.

Turkey's efforts of EU accession arise from her western politics which in essential is one of the ROT's basic principles. Turkey has already built up the first step of the Asian alliance by getting into multifaceted and deep relations with 3 Turkic states... In 2 to 5 years u will witness to the establishment of Asian Union. This union won't let greedy Europeans to steal the rich natural resources of Asia...

As for Cyprus, don't see yourself in giant's mirror... in 1 to 2 years the parameters of the solution of Cyprus problem will be changed. It is cyrstal clear to everyone that a solution acceptable to both GC and TC people is not possible...

Then why is Turkey even negotiating with the ROC if it doesn't want to get into the EU? The truth is Turkey is only at the negotiating table because the occupation of Cyprus is the main obstacle to EU membership. Turkey's accession course passes through Cyprus. If you don't get this simple fact then you haven't been paying attention.

You conveniently forget that the present situation is unsustainable for the northern enclave. It depends entirely on hand outs from Turkey. Without a solution the G/Cs will turn the screw diplomatically, legally and economically. You consistently underestimate the legal, economic and diplomatic aspects of the occupation believing that 40,000 troops can secure you what you want.

A state (even a pseudo one) is more than its army. Your politicians realise this fact even if you clearly don't.

Go right ahead and tighen any screws you have loose in front of the EU and the world stage we will soonn reeep the benfits...for starters you hate that you have to provide passports and medical cacre to Tcs but cannot cancel it for the pure feact of the international backlash it will cause but if you want to go down that road which you have been doing for 35 years with no signficiant results than continue to to tighten what you have but be ready for the reprecussion that are sure to follow.

[B25]

VP, you are so naive, the RoC may not be able to stop it (but remains to be seen), but it can give them a 3 year waiting list for their medical right, or put their passport file at the bootom and oh dear it got lost.

We can make it exceedingly difficult for them if we so chose to, but we don't. You on the other hand won't give up anything, no compromise, you are full of it.

Did you know that in hospitals there are signs giving the TCs priority. Makes me want to puke. And we have you here crying victim. I think it is you and your sort that need the reality check, because I can tell you, screws can very easily be tightened if we want to.

Your call

[zan]

VP, you are so naive, the RoC may not be able to stop it (but remains to be seen), but it can give them a 3 year waiting list for their medical right, or put their passport file at the bootom and oh dear it got lost.

We can make it exceedingly difficult for them if we so chose to, but we don't. You on the other hand won't give up anything, no compromise, you are full of it.

Did you know that in hospitals there are signs giving the TCs priority. Makes me want to puke. And we have you here crying victim. I think it is you and your sort that need the reality check, because I can tell you, screws can very easily be tightened if we want to.

Your call

Why should you puke...You should be happy.....They think the same as you....Use us as you see fit.... Shame the EU is tieing your hands so you cannot do any more GOOD!!!

[B25]

VP, you are so naive, the RoC may not be able to stop it (but remains to be seen), but it can give them a 3 year waiting list for their medical right, or put their passport file at the bootom and oh dear it got lost.

We can make it exceedingly difficult for them if we so chose to, but we don't. You on the other hand won't give up anything, no compromise, you are full of it.

Did you know that in hospitals there are signs giving the TCs priority. Makes me want to puke. And we have you here crying victim. I think it is you and your sort that need the reality check, because I can tell you, screws can very easily be tightened if we want to.

Your call

Why should you puke...You should be happy.....They think the same as you....Use us as you see fit.... Shame the EU is tieing your hands so you cannot do any more GOOD!!!

Like I said, if it were down to me, you would have been gone by now, but hade then einai sta sheka mou, thistixos.

[zan]

VP, you are so naive, the RoC may not be able to stop it (but remains to be seen), but it can give them a 3 year waiting list for their medical right, or put their passport file at the bootom and oh dear it got lost.

We can make it exceedingly difficult for them if we so chose to, but we don't. You on the other hand won't give up anything, no compromise, you are full of it.

Did you know that in hospitals there are signs giving the TCs priority. Makes me want to puke. And we have you here crying victim. I think it is you and your sort that need the reality check, because I can tell you, screws can very easily be tightened if we want to.

Your call

Why should you puke...You should be happy.....They think the same as you....Use us as you see fit.... Shame the EU is tieing your hands so you cannot do any more GOOD!!!

Like I said, if it were down to me, you would have been gone by now, but hade then einai sta sheka mou, thistixos.

And thats why the CLEVER people at the top keep giving you the Annan plan to work too.....

Sorry don't speak Greek so your last bit was wasted!!

[paliometoxo]

xate den einai sta sherka mou dystixos.... - but anyway its not in my hands unfortunatly.. thats what he said zan

[zan]

xate den einai sta sherka mou dystixos.... - but anyway its not in my hands unfortunatly.. thats what he said zan

Cheers!!

[paliometoxo]

you're welcome