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Can we improve on the Amman plan?

Propose and discuss specific solutions to aspects of the Cyprus Problem

Postby Alexandros Lordos » Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:48 pm

Piratis wrote:cannedmoose, you missed the spirit of my post. What I mean is that if there is one thing we know for sure that can not be accepted this is the Annan plan since it was rejected by a referendum by the great majority.

Therefore talking about Annan plan with mimor modifications is a total waste of time. Annan plan needs huge modifications if its going to be placed in referendum again. If this huge modifications will make the plan unacceptable to the TCs so be it. Thats why we make referenda. They will let us know that it is unacceptable for them by voting no to it.



I totally agree with Piratis on this one. The criterion for a new plan should not be how close or how far it is from the Annan Plan, but whether it is acceptable by both communities. If massive alterations are acceptable to both communities (obvious example: a bicommunal unitary state, similar to 1960 constitution), then so be it. There is nothing sacred about the Annan Plan, or any other conceivable plan. What is sacred is the will of the people, as expressed in simultaneous referenda.
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Postby Dhavlos » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:20 pm

this is going to sound like sucking up big time , but Alex, i think i can agree with everything you have said in this forum.

at least i know someone thinks the same way i do!!
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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:22 pm

Dhavlos wrote:this is going to sound like sucking up big time , but Alex, i think i can agree with everything you have said in this forum.

at least i know someone thinks the same way i do!!


Well, I agree with you also, so there you have it ...

:D :lol: :D
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Postby gabaston » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:44 pm

Chaps

Subject to the oct turkey– eu talks, and/or ww3 we are faced with three options. imo.

1. Some kind of Amman plan with full compensation to gc.
2. back to some kind of sixties (proven unworkable) fiasco – erm…… thanks but no thanks.
3. this is the solution, with slow gradual recognition for trnc over the next millennium.

It appears the current stalemate favours gc and tc politicians alike, everyone gets another term - tc can live without macdonalds, shereton hotels etc, and piratis and his mates are happy coz they can still dream about getting loads n loads n loads more tanks, and write insulting comments about me. Thanks piratis. Looks like everyone’s a winner with good old reliable - happening now – in your local store today - number three..

Personally I favour a bizonal no1 thing.
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Postby magikthrill » Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:31 pm

gabaston wrote:Personally I favour a bizonal no1 thing.

gabaston,

so you favor full compensation for all refugees and not compensation for some and the right of return for others?
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Postby gabaston » Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:46 pm

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either or, but a limited number. No reason why some (not all) can not return.
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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:49 pm

gabaston wrote:thrill

either or, but a limited number. No reason why some (not all) can not return.


I still don't get this. Why don't you people do your maths and work out that right of return and bizonality are not mutually exclusive?
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Postby gabaston » Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:13 pm

Alexandros

Sir

i did say either, or ......................right?

basically (you people - moderator, i got censored on a brilliant point, do i have to put up with "you people")

if you're happy were happy, if gc wants to come in limited numbers welcome - if they wanna come for coffee no problem - if it cant work out that way - still no problem.

im not gonna do any maths coz someone will post a spreadsheet, proving otherwise, and expect me to read it. Piratis has just told me that Clerides was a big fat liar just like T-Paps. So after two lying presidents back to back, sorry but expecting me to read a gc spreadsheet is an insult to my patience, and must surely be close to violating my human rights.
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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:34 pm

gabaston wrote:Alexandros

Sir

i did say either, or ......................right?

basically (you people - moderator, i got censored on a brilliant point, do i have to put up with "you people")

if you're happy were happy, if gc wants to come in limited numbers welcome - if they wanna come for coffee no problem - if it cant work out that way - still no problem.

im not gonna do any maths coz someone will post a spreadsheet, proving otherwise, and expect me to read it. Piratis has just told me that Clerides was a big fat liar just like T-Paps. So after two lying presidents back to back, sorry but expecting me to read a gc spreadsheet is an insult to my patience, and must surely be close to violating my human rights.


Ok, I won't subject you to a spreadsheet, I'll ask you instead: How many GC refugees can you accept as full residents of the TCCS, in case of a solution? Please give me a percent of TCCS population and a total number of people, if you can.

My apologies for using the expression "you people". I don't apologise for the censorship though: Irrelevant one liners have a low life expectancy in the forum now ... :)
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Postby gabaston » Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:48 pm

alex

i respect your concerns on this topic, and without trying to dodge the question i really am not too up on the facts and figures of cyprus. There just seems to be an excess of contradictory sources. That the sentiment of some goodwill still exists on which to create a more trusting future for our children is good enough for me.

i'll leave these types of facts n figures to be presented for approval.


oi did you censor that?.........................................ok fair enough at least you censored the pair of us. no complaints. apology accepted.
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