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[zan]

Its obvious that the voting balance of 80% vs 20% can be manipulated to a degree where the TCs do not get a look in, all that is necessary is unity and determination to stamp out TC influence and hey presto we are history in our own country.

This leads me to once again turn to agreed division, if all GCs were allowed the right to return live sell or rent their property in the TRNC would they accept division? avoiding having to share with people they obviously think very little of from the posts on this thread.

People aren't "allowed rights" by you, by the Tnucland Regime or by anyone else.

Rights are like wot it says on the can - yours and mine, inalienable, uncompromised and unqualified. Yours and mine As of Right.

Just as you and I have the Right to Breathe the air around us. No one gives us permission to breathe, do they? No one tries to limit the amount of air we breathe, do they?

Permissions and "being allowed to" don't come in to Rights.

Stop bullshitting...I think Gcs would be willing to get back property rights if they agreed to let go of say 25-29% of the island to TCs who are also entitled to live on this island. Seeing we are unable to agree reunificaiton then this is the only viable solution available. GCs would then not have to worry about sharing power or us being the bad influence they always claim we would be in a unified Cyprus. Each side can go it alone and aloow people to live in which ever country they wish be it south or north of the border.

why on earth would such a small community be given 29% of the land on this island?

Or even, why would any land be given to someone just because they belong to some ethnic minority?

hello time you got your thinking hat on we are indigenious to this land as well and own between 20% to 30% time you understood that fact...if the % could be agreed and GC got their property and settlement rights back would the majority agree to partition???

if the % could be agreed

if you own between 20-30% of this land then why do you need us to agree to anything?

Why not change strategy and demand your 20-30% of this island? From what I know from the data I read the private TC property came to about 12% (including that ottoman remnant you insist on bringing up, Evkaf) Why is the Turkish side always negotiating the giving up of strategic towns like Famagusta and Morphou?

Even so, lets consider that your argument was entertained by the GC's, on what grounds would you allow people to return to their land and not be able to stand for or elect office? You realise under EU law any such rules would be overturned in a week and that town hall of a government you and the rest of the eroglu faithful would setup would be considered null and void in a month.

You have no choices, you have no future. You can't stand alone as a government, you will be pushed aside sooner rather than later by Turkey. You will disperse and spread out into the world making the words Turkish Cypriot a phrase of the past.

There's a cancer in your community and instead of seeking treatment you are smoking Craven A's with your mates from Eskisehir.

Why are you so concerned about our health? you should have thought about that back in 1963-1974 its ours and we can live it anyway we wish..your concerns are clearly insincere as always.

Answer the question if we agreed the % would GCs accept division in exchnage for property rights?

no

This pushtoenglesso says NO as well.

Anyone else?

How about a little population exchange of our own.....You piss off my island and I piss off yours......

Pissed yourself again mate?

Don't drink......

What you gonna do when they come for the British

[Oracle]

I saw her at some Amnesty International concert a decade or more ago ... from her preamble, I gathered she did not like you Turks much (nor did any of the other participants )

[bill cobbett]

Its obvious that the voting balance of 80% vs 20% can be manipulated to a degree where the TCs do not get a look in, all that is necessary is unity and determination to stamp out TC influence and hey presto we are history in our own country.

This leads me to once again turn to agreed division, if all GCs were allowed the right to return live sell or rent their property in the TRNC would they accept division? avoiding having to share with people they obviously think very little of from the posts on this thread.

People aren't "allowed rights" by you, by the Tnucland Regime or by anyone else.

Rights are like wot it says on the can - yours and mine, inalienable, uncompromised and unqualified. Yours and mine As of Right.

Just as you and I have the Right to Breathe the air around us. No one gives us permission to breathe, do they? No one tries to limit the amount of air we breathe, do they?

Permissions and "being allowed to" don't come in to Rights.

Stop bullshitting...I think Gcs would be willing to get back property rights if they agreed to let go of say 25-29% of the island to TCs who are also entitled to live on this island. Seeing we are unable to agree reunificaiton then this is the only viable solution available. GCs would then not have to worry about sharing power or us being the bad influence they always claim we would be in a unified Cyprus. Each side can go it alone and aloow people to live in which ever country they wish be it south or north of the border.

why on earth would such a small community be given 29% of the land on this island?

Or even, why would any land be given to someone just because they belong to some ethnic minority?

hello time you got your thinking hat on we are indigenious to this land as well and own between 20% to 30% time you understood that fact...if the % could be agreed and GC got their property and settlement rights back would the majority agree to partition???

if the % could be agreed

if you own between 20-30% of this land then why do you need us to agree to anything?

Why not change strategy and demand your 20-30% of this island? From what I know from the data I read the private TC property came to about 12% (including that ottoman remnant you insist on bringing up, Evkaf) Why is the Turkish side always negotiating the giving up of strategic towns like Famagusta and Morphou?

Even so, lets consider that your argument was entertained by the GC's, on what grounds would you allow people to return to their land and not be able to stand for or elect office? You realise under EU law any such rules would be overturned in a week and that town hall of a government you and the rest of the eroglu faithful would setup would be considered null and void in a month.

You have no choices, you have no future. You can't stand alone as a government, you will be pushed aside sooner rather than later by Turkey. You will disperse and spread out into the world making the words Turkish Cypriot a phrase of the past.

There's a cancer in your community and instead of seeking treatment you are smoking Craven A's with your mates from Eskisehir.

Why are you so concerned about our health? you should have thought about that back in 1963-1974 its ours and we can live it anyway we wish..your concerns are clearly insincere as always.

Answer the question if we agreed the % would GCs accept division in exchnage for property rights?

no

This pushtoenglesso says NO as well.

Anyone else?

How about a little population exchange of our own.....You piss off my island and I piss off yours......

Pissed yourself again mate?

Don't drink......

What you gonna do when they come for the British

.. Not British

Reh VP,

Your boy's pissed himself again, he'll need changing. Yeah, sorry mate, fraid so, def a no 2 as well, all over CF again. Bring the marigolds as well.

[repulsewarrior]

Wouldn't it be nice if left-wing Turkish Cypriots and left-wing Greek Cypriots voted for a left-wing Cypriot party, and right-wing Turkish Cypriots and right-wing Greek Cypriots voted for a right-wing Cypriot party? Is this a totally utopian thought?

...imagine an Upper House where there are an equal number of seats for each of the Two Communities, where a majority of seats must be won to lead, and the electorate vote for these representatives each in exactly the same way with two votes from two seperate slates of candidates Parties field; one representing concerns Turkish Cypriot, one representing concerns Greek Cypriot.

...imagine the Parties that these leaders would have to have to win; having to appeal to voters as Individuals, while also serving them as Persons with platforms which sustains these identities.

do the math. this is really good democracy, especially with a Lower House representing by population, versitile government, able to adapt to any changes in the future of Cypriot demographics.

...no Tim not utopian, (although this Problem seeks perfection); modern.

[repulsewarrior]

In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs.

Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?

You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!!

Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?

Well the first thing you have missed is that we have never been and will never accept a DOWNGRADING of our rights in Cyprus to "Minority status"..

Who said minority status? I said you are an ethnic group amongst other ethnic groups on this island. What is wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with it as long as GOC don't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group.... We need to ensure that it won't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group which has always been the rival of one of the smaller ethnic groups of Cyprus and we all know the motives behind this rivalry: The interests of Cyprus' Hellenism.

I see. Tyrranies and union with other states by an EU member in 2009. I apologise, please carry on as you were.

Oh come on Gregory...You are acting all naive but are you really...Come up with a few ways that union can be achieved economical sense or religious, maybe even still the cultural identity......You know...Like the "RoC" flying Greek flags along side their "Cypriot" one and singing the Greek national anthem???

...you guys seem to forget the Bicommunal Principal which we as Cypriots have committed to uphold. there could be one government because Cyprus is and remains a Unitary State. However beyond the representation of the Individual, as Persons our identity as Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots will be sustained through the National Assemblies which must also exist.

if there is a geographic context that is Bizonal, it cannot mean simply tearing the island in two, it is not the State which we divide, but, at the National level where territory will have a political identity, where enclaves spotting the map as it is divided today will play a pivotal role in defining the character of debate in the respective Assemblies that have many frontiers to serve without a border.

zan, let's say that a new entity is created, a State above both what we know to be the powers of government today, would this although wistful thinking, be something suitable to end the impasse?

[repulsewarrior]

...it's not about what was but what should be. we all lived under the subjugation of others, it is the Modern Age which has given us the choice to end this. when you talk about Cypriots, this island's dwellers, we talk about stewards. being "Greek" or "Turk" has nothing to do with that if you love Cyprus.

[bill cobbett]

...it's not about what was but what should be. we all lived under the subjugation of others, it is the Modern Age which has given us the choice to end this. when you talk about Cypriots, this island's dwellers, we talk about stewards. being "Greek" or "Turk" has nothing to do with that if you love Cyprus.

Leaving aside the bit about "love" cos am emotionally a bit constipated, I must say, well said RW.

[Nikitas]

"When TCs came to Cyprus there's no GC state, like when GCs came to Cyprus there's no any state but there were native Cypriots have been living in this island."

When TCs were forced on Cyprus there were no nation states anywhere. There were kingdoms and city states still. Nationalism and the resulting nation states came about in the 19th and 20th centuries.

Please avoid this kind of justification, which belongs in the garbage can along with the other one, that Cyprus never belonged to Greece, because there was no Greek state nor Turkish state for that matter.

If I were a TC my main worry would be how to function in the modern world where status is becoming less important and commonly agreed rights are upheld across national boundaries. Insisting on special status can backfire on you when you least expect it.

[zan]

Its obvious that the voting balance of 80% vs 20% can be manipulated to a degree where the TCs do not get a look in, all that is necessary is unity and determination to stamp out TC influence and hey presto we are history in our own country.

This leads me to once again turn to agreed division, if all GCs were allowed the right to return live sell or rent their property in the TRNC would they accept division? avoiding having to share with people they obviously think very little of from the posts on this thread.

People aren't "allowed rights" by you, by the Tnucland Regime or by anyone else.

Rights are like wot it says on the can - yours and mine, inalienable, uncompromised and unqualified. Yours and mine As of Right.

Just as you and I have the Right to Breathe the air around us. No one gives us permission to breathe, do they? No one tries to limit the amount of air we breathe, do they?

Permissions and "being allowed to" don't come in to Rights.

Stop bullshitting...I think Gcs would be willing to get back property rights if they agreed to let go of say 25-29% of the island to TCs who are also entitled to live on this island. Seeing we are unable to agree reunificaiton then this is the only viable solution available. GCs would then not have to worry about sharing power or us being the bad influence they always claim we would be in a unified Cyprus. Each side can go it alone and aloow people to live in which ever country they wish be it south or north of the border.

why on earth would such a small community be given 29% of the land on this island?

Or even, why would any land be given to someone just because they belong to some ethnic minority?

hello time you got your thinking hat on we are indigenious to this land as well and own between 20% to 30% time you understood that fact...if the % could be agreed and GC got their property and settlement rights back would the majority agree to partition???

if the % could be agreed

if you own between 20-30% of this land then why do you need us to agree to anything?

Why not change strategy and demand your 20-30% of this island? From what I know from the data I read the private TC property came to about 12% (including that ottoman remnant you insist on bringing up, Evkaf) Why is the Turkish side always negotiating the giving up of strategic towns like Famagusta and Morphou?

Even so, lets consider that your argument was entertained by the GC's, on what grounds would you allow people to return to their land and not be able to stand for or elect office? You realise under EU law any such rules would be overturned in a week and that town hall of a government you and the rest of the eroglu faithful would setup would be considered null and void in a month.

You have no choices, you have no future. You can't stand alone as a government, you will be pushed aside sooner rather than later by Turkey. You will disperse and spread out into the world making the words Turkish Cypriot a phrase of the past.

There's a cancer in your community and instead of seeking treatment you are smoking Craven A's with your mates from Eskisehir.

Why are you so concerned about our health? you should have thought about that back in 1963-1974 its ours and we can live it anyway we wish..your concerns are clearly insincere as always.

Answer the question if we agreed the % would GCs accept division in exchnage for property rights?

no

This pushtoenglesso says NO as well.

Anyone else?

How about a little population exchange of our own.....You piss off my island and I piss off yours......

Pissed yourself again mate?

Don't drink......

What you gonna do when they come for the British

.. Not British

Reh VP,

Your boy's pissed himself again, he'll need changing. Yeah, sorry mate, fraid so, def a no 2 as well, all over CF again. Bring the marigolds as well.

You re soooooo predictable re Billy boy Bobbit!!!

[Gregory]

no

Why?

Are you telling me that because you won an armed battle against us you are in a position to claim a large chunk of this island for perpetuity? Do you have any other sole claims on Kyrenia, Morphou and Famagusta or just millitary might?