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[Get Real!]

why on earth would such a small community be given 29% of the land on this island?

Or even, why would any land be given to someone just because they belong to some ethnic minority?

That’s right, and one that’s just a 40 mile boat trip away from home…

[bill cobbett]

There's a small CY island (or group of islets really). I think it's just off the coast at Apostolos Andreas.

There are times when I think CY should make it over to the Partitionists, so they get what they've dreamed about for fifty years, their own little Thiefdom away and apart from the rest of CY.

Are we all agreed?

[Get Real!]

hello time you got your thinking hat on we are indigenious to this land as well and own between 20% to 30% time you understood that fact...

Turkish Cypriot mythology in the making...

[insan]

The fact is that Cyprus is not GC's country, nether the RoC established on this island in 1960. TCs struggled for being a politically equal community and in case it's not accepted by GCs; our struggle will be pursued on partition basis.

If Cyprus solely belonged to GCs or had GCs been the founders of RoC like all other nation states on earth; TCs would have accepted to be in the minory status like they accepted to be in the minority wherever they emigrated. When TCs came to Cyprus there's no GC state, like when GCs came to Cyprus there's no any state but there were native Cypriots have been living in this island.

Sorry insan, but what you say is irrelevant crap. When the Turkish state was established the Greek, Kurdish, Armenian etc minorities were already there, they didn't merely immigrate to Turkey after. The same is true for the African Americans in the USA, for the Turks in Greece or Bulgaria and for most other cases. A minority is defined by their numbers. The when the minority was created is irrelevant as all other cases worldwide show.

So don't try to present yourselves as some "special case". You are not. You are no different than Turkish minorities in Bulgaria, Greece and other former Ottoman colonies, and no different than any other minority in the world.

The only difference is that you have outrageous demands, trying to gain for your small minority gains on the expense of the majority, and this is exactly what is causing the conflicts and the problems. (of course you didn't decide to have such demands by yourselves. This is how you were told to act by those Imperialists (UK/Turkey) who want to divide and rule Cyprus and they are using your minority as their pawns)

Yes, they were there and some of them fought to establish their own nation states on the land where ROT is located today but they lost the war. In Cyprus, people of 2 nations struggled for their own goals and ended up with what we have today. U illegally own a GC ruled, so-called RoC and we illegally own our state... struggle still continue because what u want is whole of Cyprus... Al! ,I,

[Oracle]

The fact is that Cyprus is not GC's country, nether the RoC established on this island in 1960. TCs struggled for being a politically equal community and in case it's not accepted by GCs; our struggle will be pursued on partition basis.

If Cyprus solely belonged to GCs or had GCs been the founders of RoC like all other nation states on earth; TCs would have accepted to be in the minory status like they accepted to be in the minority wherever they emigrated. When TCs came to Cyprus there's no GC state, like when GCs came to Cyprus there's no any state but there were native Cypriots have been living in this island.

Sorry insan, but what you say is irrelevant crap. When the Turkish state was established the Greek, Kurdish, Armenian etc minorities were already there, they didn't merely immigrate to Turkey after. The same is true for the African Americans in the USA, for the Turks in Greece or Bulgaria and for most other cases. A minority is defined by their numbers. The when the minority was created is irrelevant as all other cases worldwide show.

So don't try to present yourselves as some "special case". You are not. You are no different than Turkish minorities in Bulgaria, Greece and other former Ottoman colonies, and no different than any other minority in the world.

The only difference is that you have outrageous demands, trying to gain for your small minority gains on the expense of the majority, and this is exactly what is causing the conflicts and the problems. (of course you didn't decide to have such demands by yourselves. This is how you were told to act by those Imperialists (UK/Turkey) who want to divide and rule Cyprus and they are using your minority as their pawns)

Yes, they were there and some of them fought to establish their own nation states on the land where ROT is located today but they lost the war. In Cyprus, people of 2 nations struggled for their own goals and ended up with what we have today. U illegally own a GC ruled, so-called RoC and we illegally own our state... struggle still continue because what u want is whole of Cyprus... Al! ,I,

We legally own the whole of Cyprus. If you are good, we may welcome you back ....

[Gregory]

Its obvious that the voting balance of 80% vs 20% can be manipulated to a degree where the TCs do not get a look in, all that is necessary is unity and determination to stamp out TC influence and hey presto we are history in our own country.

This leads me to once again turn to agreed division, if all GCs were allowed the right to return live sell or rent their property in the TRNC would they accept division? avoiding having to share with people they obviously think very little of from the posts on this thread.

People aren't "allowed rights" by you, by the Tnucland Regime or by anyone else.

Rights are like wot it says on the can - yours and mine, inalienable, uncompromised and unqualified. Yours and mine As of Right.

Just as you and I have the Right to Breathe the air around us. No one gives us permission to breathe, do they? No one tries to limit the amount of air we breathe, do they?

Permissions and "being allowed to" don't come in to Rights.

Stop bullshitting...I think Gcs would be willing to get back property rights if they agreed to let go of say 25-29% of the island to TCs who are also entitled to live on this island. Seeing we are unable to agree reunificaiton then this is the only viable solution available. GCs would then not have to worry about sharing power or us being the bad influence they always claim we would be in a unified Cyprus. Each side can go it alone and aloow people to live in which ever country they wish be it south or north of the border.

why on earth would such a small community be given 29% of the land on this island?

Or even, why would any land be given to someone just because they belong to some ethnic minority?

hello time you got your thinking hat on we are indigenious to this land as well and own between 20% to 30% time you understood that fact...if the % could be agreed and GC got their property and settlement rights back would the majority agree to partition???

if the % could be agreed

if you own between 20-30% of this land then why do you need us to agree to anything?

Why not change strategy and demand your 20-30% of this island? From what I know from the data I read the private TC property came to about 12% (including that ottoman remnant you insist on bringing up, Evkaf) Why is the Turkish side always negotiating the giving up of strategic towns like Famagusta and Morphou?

Even so, lets consider that your argument was entertained by the GC's, on what grounds would you allow people to return to their land and not be able to stand for or elect office? You realise under EU law any such rules would be overturned in a week and that town hall of a government you and the rest of the eroglu faithful would setup would be considered null and void in a month.

You have no choices, you have no future. You can't stand alone as a government, you will be pushed aside sooner rather than later by Turkey. You will disperse and spread out into the world making the words Turkish Cypriot a phrase of the past.

There's a cancer in your community and instead of seeking treatment you are smoking Craven A's with your mates from Eskisehir.

[Get Real!]

In Cyprus, people of 2 nations struggled for their own goals and ended up with what we have today.

You mean a one-sided Turkish military invasion gave you dwarfs what you temporarily "have" today, because if natural selection was allowed to take its course you'd have the largest of the three with that attitude…

[Oracle]

Gregory ... the bearer of bad news for the TCs!

[Get Real!]

if you own between 20-30% of this land then why do you need us to agree to anything?

They only owned 12.3% but today they think they can manufacture wealth when everyone knows the Ottoman way was to just sit back and smoke hashish all day!

[insan]

The fact is that Cyprus is not GC's country, nether the RoC established on this island in 1960. TCs struggled for being a politically equal community and in case it's not accepted by GCs; our struggle will be pursued on partition basis.

If Cyprus solely belonged to GCs or had GCs been the founders of RoC like all other nation states on earth; TCs would have accepted to be in the minory status like they accepted to be in the minority wherever they emigrated. When TCs came to Cyprus there's no GC state, like when GCs came to Cyprus there's no any state but there were native Cypriots have been living in this island.

Sorry insan, but what you say is irrelevant crap. When the Turkish state was established the Greek, Kurdish, Armenian etc minorities were already there, they didn't merely immigrate to Turkey after. The same is true for the African Americans in the USA, for the Turks in Greece or Bulgaria and for most other cases. A minority is defined by their numbers. The when the minority was created is irrelevant as all other cases worldwide show.

So don't try to present yourselves as some "special case". You are not. You are no different than Turkish minorities in Bulgaria, Greece and other former Ottoman colonies, and no different than any other minority in the world.

The only difference is that you have outrageous demands, trying to gain for your small minority gains on the expense of the majority, and this is exactly what is causing the conflicts and the problems. (of course you didn't decide to have such demands by yourselves. This is how you were told to act by those Imperialists (UK/Turkey) who want to divide and rule Cyprus and they are using your minority as their pawns)

Yes, they were there and some of them fought to establish their own nation states on the land where ROT is located today but they lost the war. In Cyprus, people of 2 nations struggled for their own goals and ended up with what we have today. U illegally own a GC ruled, so-called RoC and we illegally own our state... struggle still continue because what u want is whole of Cyprus... Al! ,I,

We legally own the whole of Cyprus. If you are good, we may welcome you back ....

The game is over, Oracle; the good, the bad... these r relative. Neither u, nor we struggled for nothing. Come to the point. Either a BBF with "political equality of 2 communities" or 2 states...