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[Gregory]

In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs.

Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?

You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!!

Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?

Well the first thing you have missed is that we have never been and will never accept a DOWNGRADING of our rights in Cyprus to "Minority status"..

Who said minority status? I said you are an ethnic group amongst other ethnic groups on this island. What is wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with it as long as GOC don't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group.... We need to ensure that it won't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group which has always been the rival of one of the smaller ethnic groups of Cyprus and we all know the motives behind this rivalry: The interests of Cyprus' Hellenism.

I see. Tyrranies and union with other states by an EU member in 2009. I apologise, please carry on as you were.

[insan]

In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs.

Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?

You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!!

Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?

Well the first thing you have missed is that we have never been and will never accept a DOWNGRADING of our rights in Cyprus to "Minority status"..

Who said minority status? I said you are an ethnic group amongst other ethnic groups on this island. What is wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with it as long as GOC don't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group.... We need to ensure that it won't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group which has always been the rival of one of the smaller ethnic groups of Cyprus and we all know the motives behind this rivalry: The interests of Cyprus' Hellenism.

I see. Tyrranies and union with other states by an EU member in 2009. I apologise, please carry on as you were.

2009? Date is irrelevant... circumstances determine the course of state of affairs and social relations... no one is sure abt how many more waves of economic crisis on the way coming... and with what magnitude it would hit countries and regions... How the energy wars will affect Europe, Cyprus and others... new wars? new dictatorships? Turbulence in politics?

[zan]

In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs.

Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?

You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!!

Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?

Well the first thing you have missed is that we have never been and will never accept a DOWNGRADING of our rights in Cyprus to "Minority status"..

Who said minority status? I said you are an ethnic group amongst other ethnic groups on this island. What is wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with it as long as GOC don't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group.... We need to ensure that it won't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group which has always been the rival of one of the smaller ethnic groups of Cyprus and we all know the motives behind this rivalry: The interests of Cyprus' Hellenism.

I see. Tyrranies and union with other states by an EU member in 2009. I apologise, please carry on as you were.

Oh come on Gregory...You are acting all naive but are you really...Come up with a few ways that union can be achieved economical sense or religious, maybe even still the cultural identity......You know...Like the "RoC" flying Greek flags along side their "Cypriot" one and singing the Greek national anthem???

[barouti]

Oh come on Gregory...You are acting all naive but are you really...Come up with a few ways that union can be achieved economical sense or religious, maybe even still the cultural identity......You know...Like the "RoC" flying Greek flags along side their "Cypriot" one and singing the Greek national anthem???

omg, what a hypocrite. As if the Turkish flag is nowhere to be seen in the occupied north:







So it's okay for the TC's can express their Turkishess, but when the GC's express their Hellenism it's a provocation.

[zan]

Oh come on Gregory...You are acting all naive but are you really...Come up with a few ways that union can be achieved economical sense or religious, maybe even still the cultural identity......You know...Like the "RoC" flying Greek flags along side their "Cypriot" one and singing the Greek national anthem???

omg, what a hypocrite. As if the Turkish flag is nowhere to be seen in the occupied north:







So it's okay for the TC's can express their Turkishess, but when the GC's express their Hellenism it's a provocation.

I said nothing of the sort.....We do not claim to represent the whole island....

[barouti]

I said nothing of the sort.....We do not claim to represent the whole island....

Like the "RoC" flying Greek flags along side their "Cypriot" one and singing the Greek national anthem???

It seems to bother you.

[Piratis]

If the TCs could accept democracy then we wouldn't have any problems to begin with.

The problem is that the TCs do not want democracy as it exists in every other democratic country in the world because such a democracy would only grant to them a proportional power, which would be 18% (or about 12% since their population was reduced since 1974).

What they want is similar to what they had during Ottoman rule, in other words oppressing the Cypriot people and imposing their rule by force so they can have disproportionately large amounts of power and privileges for their minority on the expense of every other Cypriot.

Compare the TCs (a minority of oppressors, who oppressed the majority for centuries) with say the African Americans in the USA (a minority of oppressed, who have been oppressed by the majority for centuries). The African Americans have struggled for democracy, one person - one vote, an end to segregation and racist discrimination. On the other hand, the TCs insisted and continue to insist on the exact opposite. The only other such minority of oppressors that I can think of in the modern era were the whites of South Africa during Apartheid.

Saying to these people that with a democracy they can have 12% of power doesn't sound good to them because they believe that with brute force and blackmail they can get the 50%.

[Get Real!]

It’s pretty obvious from the TC responses that they reject everything democratic and reasonable, so the only way to liberate Cyprus is clearly the military option unfortunately. We see this time and time again…

[Piratis]

Like the "RoC" flying Greek flags along side their "Cypriot" one and singing the Greek national anthem???

Who decides what the national anthem and what the flags should be in a country are the people of the country in a democratic way. This is the same with almost everything in a democracy.

Do you think that in order for a country to take a decision that the 100% of the population of that country has to agree? Of course no. If that was the case no decision would ever be taken since it is impossible for everybody to agree, even for the most simple things.

Decisions need to be taken and democracy is the best system that exists for this. It might not be perfect, but it is far better than dictatorships, oligarchies and other such systems.

As an individual citizen you have your human rights and those are guaranteed. Beyond that every other decision should be taken democratically. This is what democracy is all about.

If you don't like democracy then why don't you apply these other systems you support in Turkey? Or there democracy is fine because the Turks are the majority? How about getting the approval of the Greek minority in Turkey before the Turkish state is able to take any decision?

[B25]

If the TCs could accept democracy then we wouldn't have any problems to begin with.

The problem is that the TCs do not want democracy as it exists in every other democratic country in the world because such a democracy would only grant to them a proportional power, which would be 18% (or about 12% since their population was reduced since 1974).

What they want is similar to what they had during Ottoman rule, in other words oppressing the Cypriot people and imposing their rule by force so they can have disproportionately large amounts of power and privileges for their minority on the expense of every other Cypriot.

Compare the TCs (a minority of oppressors, who oppressed the majority for centuries) with say the African Americans in the USA (a minority of oppressed, who have been oppressed by the majority for centuries). The African Americans have struggled for democracy, one person - one vote, an end to segregation and racist discrimination. On the other hand, the TCs insisted and continue to insist on the exact opposite. The only other such minority of oppressors that I can think of in the modern era were the whites of South Africa during Apartheid.

Saying to these people that with a democracy they can have 12% of power doesn't sound good to them because they believe that with brute force and blackmail they can get the 50%.

Bravo vre munga !

And totally true.