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Re: United Cyprus Parliamentary Elections 2011...

Postby zan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:20 pm

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Get Real! wrote:United Cyprus Parliamentary Elections 2011...

This thread is to play with the idea of how the introduction of an imaginary united “Turkish Cypriot Party” (TCP) can affect the outcome of future Cypriot parliamentary elections.

All calculations made are based on the laws of averaging on past parliamentary election statistics (1991..2006) as supplied under…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_le ... tion,_2006

First, I will present the TRUE parliamentary election statistics for the last four elections in a simple but accurate format I’ve put together in Excel:

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For the next step I have to ASSUME the total number of Turkish Cypriots who have settled down in a united Cyprus, and then calculate based of GC averages the number of eligible voters, and finally the valid total turnout from the TC electorate so here goes…

Turkish Cypriots living in a united Cyprus = 100,000

Eligible Turkish Cypriot voters = (100 x 420) / 700 = 60,000 (60%)

Total Valid Turkish Cypriot Turnout = 60,000 - 5,000 = 55,000

I will now amalgamate the imaginary Turkish Cypriot electorate with the 2006 known statistics and adjust accordingly to form the results of the IMAGINARY 2011 parliamentary elections…

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As can be seen from this reasonable estimate, the Turkish Cypriot Party (TCP), along with DIKO automatically become the power brokers to support either DISY or AKEL! It appears that it will replace EDEK's current status and even improve on that.

NB: To keep the antagonism alive and well for my partitionist friends… not a single GC has voted for the TCP, and by the same token not a single TC has voted for a GC party, in these calculations. :)


Regards, GR.


Very good GR.....Now lets put it to the test......Say, for instance..... :wink:....The leading GC party wanted to...oooh I don't know.....raise taxes......Just off the top of my head.......And the tax rise would hit the poorer TCs hard but not the majority of GCs......It would bring great hardship to an already struggling TC people...... How would the vote go then?????


Taxes are in the hands of the executive not the legislative.


Of the ruling party :?


We are not discussing executive powers here but legislative. Executive powers will be different, including what will be a short rotation that includes a TC head of the executive.

Anyway, you are wrong on both counts just choose which one you are arguing.



I am not arguing either but all.......In a small place like Cyprus it will be hard to separate the main thrust.......I understand your technical concerns.
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Postby Gregory » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:21 pm

insan wrote:In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs. :lol:


Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?
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Postby zan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:24 pm

Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs. :lol:


Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?


You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!! :roll:
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Postby Gregory » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:27 pm

zan wrote:
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insan wrote:In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs. :lol:


Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?


You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!! :roll:


Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:28 pm

Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs. :lol:


Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?


Yes. :lol: What's ur point? For example who and how will decide the content of curriculums of 2 communities?

Tell us abt ur uni experiences regarding how governments and societies work and how would it work in Cyprus...
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Postby zan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:35 pm

Gregory wrote:
zan wrote:
Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs. :lol:


Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?


You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!! :roll:


Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?


Well the first thing you have missed is that we have never been and will never accept a DOWNGRADING of our rights in Cyprus to "Minority status"..
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Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:38 pm

Wouldn't it be nice if left-wing Turkish Cypriots and left-wing Greek Cypriots voted for a left-wing Cypriot party, and right-wing Turkish Cypriots and right-wing Greek Cypriots voted for a right-wing Cypriot party? Is this a totally utopian thought?
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:45 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if left-wing Turkish Cypriots and left-wing Greek Cypriots voted for a left-wing Cypriot party, and right-wing Turkish Cypriots and right-wing Greek Cypriots voted for a right-wing Cypriot party? Is this a totally utopian thought?


Under current circumstances, it's very utopian, Tim. Before any type of unification; we need a lot of common grounds on many issues. The most important one is history... The second is having a common language at least spoken fairly good by vast majority of Cypriots... Otherwise TCs would be doomed to accept everything GCs "democratically" impose on them.
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Postby Gregory » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:54 pm

zan wrote:
Gregory wrote:
zan wrote:
Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs. :lol:


Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?


You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!! :roll:


Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?


Well the first thing you have missed is that we have never been and will never accept a DOWNGRADING of our rights in Cyprus to "Minority status"..


Who said minority status? I said you are an ethnic group amongst other ethnic groups on this island. What is wrong with that?
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Postby insan » Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:02 pm

Gregory wrote:
zan wrote:
Gregory wrote:
zan wrote:
Gregory wrote:
insan wrote:In such a case, no matter whether TCs have a single united political party or more than one; GCs rule, TCs just talk...

The only way for TCs to protect their violated rights and freedoms is courts... Court cases last many years and oppressed TCs begin emigrating as mass groups.

Happy end for GCs. :lol:


Have any of you been to uni and found out a little about how governments and society work?


You have read how it should work...Now read the realities of Cyprus!!!!! :roll:


Whats the big deal? Issues that are sensitive to a specific ethnic group of the state will require an upperhouse special majority to be implemented.

Am I missing something?


Well the first thing you have missed is that we have never been and will never accept a DOWNGRADING of our rights in Cyprus to "Minority status"..


Who said minority status? I said you are an ethnic group amongst other ethnic groups on this island. What is wrong with that?


There's nothing wrong with it as long as GOC don't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group.... We need to ensure that it won't become a "democratic" tyranny of larger ethnic group which has always been the rival of one of the smaller ethnic groups of Cyprus and we all know the motives behind this rivalry: The interests of Cyprus' Hellenism.
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