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Postby YFred » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:05 am

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Nikitas wrote:Nope, Poland is proven to be more religious than Cyprus. Look up Eurostat figures and statistics.

You know very well that you can prove anything you like in statistics. I go by a much more reliable method called personal experience. And when I come across University Biology Graduates that believes in god, that is as backward as you can get. I have met some Pole dancers but have never met Pole University Biology Graduate who is religios in any nationality in all my life. That proves it beyond reasonable doubt in my court.

Guilty as charged. I have now taken off my wig.

You ought to limit yourself to commenting on that which you could plausibly have something to contribute. Clearly when it comes to science, you have nothing to contribute.

The physical sciences are about disproving rather than proving (i.e. a hypothesis can only ever be proved false, rather than proved true; if you want proofs of truth, stick to the mathematical/logical sciences), and about answering the question of "how?", rather than "why?".

God is not within the realm of science because the existence of God is neither provable nor disprovable. Nothing in science relies on the existence or absence of God, and there is no contradiction in believing in evolution for example and also believing in God. Anybody with a scientific background who tells you otherwise is misleading you (and anybody without a scientific background should keep silent on matters scientific).

So, please tell us, do you believe in Creationism or Evolution. How do you feel about the fascist backward religious people trying to force teaching Creationism and Biology in schools as equal.

Firstly, my personal beliefs are immaterial. Secondly, I just told you that the beliefs are not mutually exclusive, so you can believe in creationism and evolution at the same time: i.e. you can believe that God created the universe according to His laws of nature. Of course science generally debunks much of what is written in the bible, in particular Genesis, but it takes a pretty hardcore believer to read that literally. Certainly the Orthodox Church does not hold the teaching that the earth was literally created in 6 days, or that it is a few thousand years old.

Teaching both in schools is fine, and is in fact preferable; developing intellects thrive on seeming contradictions, and the only way to develop an understanding and an appreciation of subject matter is to approach it from different viewpoints. If students are exposed to the scientific explanation they will be able to better (one day) understand the Biblical story in some kind of context. The last thing anyone wants is a generation of feral atheist rationalists or bible bashing young-earth creationist zealots.

It is clear from your line of questioning that you've not benefited from any kind of serious study - I pity you.

Please don't feel pity for me. I graduated from Open University called Trahona in Life Studies, which included both subjects. Learning took place in between the eoka bullets flying past our ears. We also learned how to dodge them which was the Life curriculum. Most of us graduated, unfortunately sad to say 3 did not.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:27 am

YFred wrote:I graduated from Open University called Trahona in Life Studies, which included both subjects. Learning took place in between the eoka bullets flying past our ears. We also learned how to dodge them which was the Life curriculum.

I know you also graduated with honors from the Turkic Academy of Fibsters! :lol:
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Postby Expatkiwi » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:46 am

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YFred wrote:I graduated from Open University called Trahona in Life Studies, which included both subjects. Learning took place in between the eoka bullets flying past our ears. We also learned how to dodge them which was the Life curriculum.

I know you also graduated with honors from the Turkic Academy of Fibsters! :lol:


And you got a diploma from the Robin Williams school of humor... :lol:
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Postby james_mav » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:12 am

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YFred wrote:I graduated from Open University called Trahona in Life Studies, which included both subjects. Learning took place in between the eoka bullets flying past our ears. We also learned how to dodge them which was the Life curriculum.

I know you also graduated with honors from the Turkic Academy of Fibsters! :lol:


And you got a diploma from the Robin Williams school of humor... :lol:

And you your Master of Literature (Short Story Fiction) from the Mills & Boon Academy of Literary Arts.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:21 am

james_mav wrote:And you your Master of Literature (Short Story Fiction) from the Mills & Boon Academy of Literary Arts.


Actually, my degree is from the University of Life and the School of Hard Knocks... :wink:
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:30 pm

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james_mav wrote:And you your Master of Literature (Short Story Fiction) from the Mills & Boon Academy of Literary Arts.


Actually, my degree is from the University of Life and the School of Hard Knocks... :wink:

I think we have another graduate from the Turkic Academy of Fibsters…

I floated the idea of "honorable negotiated partition" on the Cyprus Forum website, and without exception, it was rejected out of hand by the Greek Cypriot forum members. They used terms like "legalizing stolen property", without of course mentioning the lost TC properties in the south... Looks like the term "pragmatism" does not exist south of the Green Line.


http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/citizenschart ... enDocument

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Postby Expatkiwi » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:39 pm

GR,

A trade-off of the lost TC properties with the equivilent properties in the TRNC would not be a bad idea, would it?
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Postby Jerry » Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:35 am

Expatkiwi wrote:GR,

A trade-off of the lost TC properties with the equivilent properties in the TRNC would not be a bad idea, would it?


There are not enough properties to "trade off"

Up to 200,000 Cypriots moved south, only 45,000 moved north. The Turkish Cypriots do not have enough property to exchange - unless they occupy a much smaller part of the island.
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Postby insan » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:36 am

Jerry wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:GR,

A trade-off of the lost TC properties with the equivilent properties in the TRNC would not be a bad idea, would it?


There are not enough properties to "trade off"

Up to 200,000 Cypriots moved south, only 45,000 moved north. The Turkish Cypriots do not have enough property to exchange - unless they occupy a much smaller part of the island.


Up to 200.000 GC refugees, eh? and only 45.000 TC refugees, eh? First of all abt 25.000 TCs bacame refugees during 1963-1968 period and after 1974 abt 50.000 more TCs became refugees. Total 75.000 TCs became refugees. Most of the impartial internet sources cite that number of GC refugees were abt 140-160 thousands.

Still the number of GC refugees seems more than the double of TC refugees but don't forget that in the begining of the British Rule 1/3 of Cyprus' population was TCs and TCs who emigrated from 1878 until 1946 didn't have the right to sell their properties. They restituted all their properties to the legal land and property owner Evkaf.
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Postby YFred » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:42 pm

Jerry wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:GR,

A trade-off of the lost TC properties with the equivilent properties in the TRNC would not be a bad idea, would it?


There are not enough properties to "trade off"

Up to 200,000 Cypriots moved south, only 45,000 moved north. The Turkish Cypriots do not have enough property to exchange - unless they occupy a much smaller part of the island.

Since when did all the properties have equal value, judging by the price of land and property, GCs will have to give up some more land. :lol:
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