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[insan]

4. Reaffirms that its position on the solution to the Cyprus problem is based on one State of Cyprus comprising two politically equal communities as defined by Secretary-General in the eleventh paragraph of annex I to his report dated 8 March 1990(S/21183),

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr716.htm

Is it anti-democratic to consider 2 large communities of Cyprus as "2 politically equal communities of Cyprus"?

If it is anti-democratic why does it adopted by UN and supposedly accepted by GC and Greek political parties?

[Get Real!]

The whole problem stems from the fact that there is no such thing as “politically equal communities” in the world!

You’re all welcome to search the Internet and prove me wrong. Whoever heard of a community-based government running a country in the 21st century?

It’s a load of rubbish manufactured by some to appease Turkey and only applicable to Cyprus... how convenient!

[insan]

The whole problem stems from the fact that there is no such thing as “politically equal communities” in the world!

You’re all welcome to search the Internet and prove me wrong. Whoever heard of a community-based government running a country in the 21st century?

It’s a load of rubbish manufactured by some to appease Turkey and only applicable to Cyprus... how convenient!

Perhaps, it would have been more meaningful if it was defined as "2 politically equal nationalities" and thus; base the solution on a multi-national, multi-cultural, bi-zonal federative state?

[bill cobbett]

Agreed that all the communities, major and minor ones, that make up CY should as communities, be politically equal, all having the same level of political power.

That level should, for all the communities, be set at the level of ZERO.

So there you have it, another UN parameter satisfied.

Anything else is Apartheid Democracy, as Our Beloved Refugee from Morphou called it a few days ago.

[Get Real!]

What is “Political Equality”?

The Harvard University report titled…“POLITICAL EQUALITY: WHAT IS IT? WHY DO WE WANT IT?” …has the following explanation for the phrase “Political Equality”:

“By political equality we refer to the extent to which citizens have an equal voice over governmental decisions. One of the bedrock principles in a democracy is the equal consideration of the preferences and interests of all citizens. This is expressed in such principles as one-person/one-vote, equality before the law, and equal rights of free speech. Equal consideration of the preferences and needs of all citizens is fostered by equal political activity among citizens; not only equal voting turnout across significant categories of citizens but equality in other forms of activity..”

http://www.russellsage.org/programs/mai ... 16.180549/

Another report by the Fordham University has this to say on “Political Equality”:

“While, a full consideration of the meaning of “political equality” is an enormously complex task, few would dispute that political equality includes the right and ability of every citizen, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, national origin, religion, or economic circumstance to freely participate in political affairs through communicating ideas, organizing, and choosing leaders.”

http://www.fordham.edu/politicalsci/pro ... 20Tien.pdf

It is clear from the reports above that “Political Equality” does NOT refer to a specific group of people within a country having special rights over the rest but quite the opposite… it refers to ALL citizens having the EXACT SAME RIGHTS via a one-person/one-vote system!

The Turkish Cypriot leadership has long been abusing the democratic phrase “Political Equality” by requesting that a specific group of Cypriot citizens, and namely the “Turkish Cypriots”, be set aside based on their ethnic background and religion to receive favorable political influence in Cyprus at the expense of the remaining Cypriot citizens, and falsely calling this notion “Political Equality”!

The truth is that such a measure would equate to Political INEQUALITY of all Cypriot citizens outside the favored group and in contravention of democracy and their human rights. If the Turkish Cypriots had any respect for ethnic minorities or even for their interpretation of “political equality”, this is what they would have proposed for the House of Representatives…

20% Turkish Cypriots

20% Greek Cypriots

20% British Cypriots

20% Armenian Cypriots

20% Maronite Cypriots

100% Total


Regards, GR.

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle20.htm

[YFred]

The whole problem stems from the fact that there is no such thing as “politically equal communities” in the world!

You’re all welcome to search the Internet and prove me wrong. Whoever heard of a community-based government running a country in the 21st century?

It’s a load of rubbish manufactured by some to appease Turkey and only applicable to Cyprus... how convenient!

Perhaps, it would have been more meaningful if it was defined as "2 politically equal nationalities" and thus; base the solution on a multi-national, multi-cultural, bi-zonal federative state?

Insan it is pointless after negotiating for 35 years towards a federal system only to find out on whim Muhtar X can drop the word federal as and when he pleases. Meaningful talks have ended. Let us face reality and prepare for other eventualities.
The real question for us TCs from now on is do we wish for annexation with Turkey or Independence with or without EU. That is now a more worth wile discussion point as far as I am concerned. The RoC is like a lame karpaz eshek unable to stand, it is only a matter of time before somebody puts it out of its misery like in the old western films. GCs can have their GRoC and we will have what ever we chose with the help of our mother as it were.

[insan]

Agreed that all the communities, major and minor ones, that make up CY should as communities, be politically equal, all having the same level of political power.

That level should, for all the communities, be set at the level of ZERO.

So there you have it, another UN parameter satisfied.

Anything else is Apartheid Democracy, as Our Beloved Refugee from Morphou called it a few days ago.

But the elected politicians of GCs accepted the existence of "2 politically equal communities" in Cyprus. They didn't come with the counter arguments similar to urs stated above... why? They didn't/don't have the balls?

[paliometoxo]

I'm a GC and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.

i believe turkish cypriots have just as much rights as cypriots,,,

but i think turkish have none.. i mean mainland turks turkey turks

[insan]

I'm a GC and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.

i believe turkish cypriots have just as much rights as cypriots,,,

but i think turkish have none.. i mean mainland turks turkey turks

It seems like vast majority of GCs don't believe "political equality of 2 communities".. so, why do u think ur representatives accepted it against the will of majority of GCs? R they traitors or what?

[Get Real!]

I'm a GC and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.

i believe turkish cypriots have just as much rights as cypriots,,,

but i think turkish have none.. i mean mainland turks turkey turks

It seems like vast majority of GCs don't believe "political equality of 2 communities".. so, why do u think ur representatives accepted it against the will of majority of GCs? R they traitors or what?

Ever heard of good old fashioned stupidity Insan?