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Are TCs a minority or a politically equal community?

I'm a TC and I believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
6
23%
I'm a GC and I believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
1
4%
I'm a Turk and I believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
1
4%
I'm a Greek and I believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
0
No votes
I'm a GC and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
10
38%
I'm a Greek and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
0
No votes
I'm a TC and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
1
4%
I'm a Turk and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
1
4%
I'm a foreigner and I don't believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
3
12%
I'm a foreigner and I believe TCs r a politically equal community in Cyprus.
3
12%
 
Total votes : 26

Postby insan » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:45 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The whole problem stems from the fact that there is no such thing as “politically equal communities” in the world!

You’re all welcome to search the Internet and prove me wrong. Whoever heard of a community-based government running a country in the 21st century?

It’s a load of rubbish manufactured by some to appease Turkey and only applicable to Cyprus... how convenient! :roll:


GR, there are not exactly perfect governments anywhere. Maybe a community based government needs to be tried. It probably won't work, but all avenues should be explored.

The only avenue that should’ve been explored from the onset but was NEVER given a chance is the one-person-one-vote modern democracy!

It seems that everything being proposed for Cyprus in the last 60 odd years is an intentional cocktail for potential disaster and you’d think Cypriots would smell the rat by now but no!


One man one vote in a place like Cyprus definitely would lead 4 VS 1 against TC community regarding almost every matter(especially economic, political and psychological) and would eventually lead mass emigration of TC community.

That’s based on the assumption that Greek Cypriots are united! :roll: :lol:


GR! It is a fact that because of various reasons; the individuals of 2 ethnic groups in Cyprus feel themselves closer to the people of their own ethnic group. Isn't this a fact?

Another fact regarding Cyprus is prevalence of nepotism. In a GC ruled Cyprus it is obvious who would get benefited from nepotism.

Moreover, almost all GCs believe that their version of history is true and TC version is wrong. This means in a Cyprus where GCs rule, TC community would be doomed to accept the GC version of Cyprus history.

In a GC ruled Cyprus, even the TC big boys wouldn't have any chance to challenge against GC big boys.

It is crystal clear to me that, one man one vote would eventually lead mass emigration of TC community.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:46 pm

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Oracle wrote:I don't think any self-respecting person could compromise on Democracy just to satisfy the TCs.

If the TCs can't live with Democracy, they are free to depart!


One vote Tc and one Gc...What could be more democratic than that.... :roll:

If the TCs are unanimous (and I haven’t the faintest idea if they are) they’ll end up being the most influential group in Cyprus because their vote would swing any election one way or the other attaining them favorable roles!
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:49 pm

Insan, I think I’ve unknowingly answered your concern for nepotism with my reply to Zan! :lol:

Perhaps we should analyze this a bit by having a closer look at the Greek Cypriot electorate in a new thread...
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Postby insan » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:49 pm

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think any self-respecting person could compromise on Democracy just to satisfy the TCs.

If the TCs can't live with Democracy, they are free to depart!


One vote Tc and one Gc...What could be more democratic than that.... :roll:

If the TCs are unanimous (and I haven’t the faintest idea if they are) they’ll end up being the most influential group in Cyprus because their vote would swing any election one way or the other attaining them favorable roles!


Yeah! Something like asslickers of elections. :lol: How much we lick whom that much we will be awarded by them. Ohh lawl! Disgusting! :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:53 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think any self-respecting person could compromise on Democracy just to satisfy the TCs.

If the TCs can't live with Democracy, they are free to depart!


One vote Tc and one Gc...What could be more democratic than that.... :roll:

If the TCs are unanimous (and I haven’t the faintest idea if they are) they’ll end up being the most influential group in Cyprus because their vote would swing any election one way or the other attaining them favorable roles!


Yeah! Something like asslickers of elections. :lol: How much we lick whom that much we will be awarded by them. Ohh lawl! Disgusting! :lol:

Image I know many an arse-licker who had a very fulfilling life! I mean take Miltiades for example…
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:57 pm

Seriously though, it’s a very powerful position to be in… DIKO (17%~) have been enjoying this role for years and enjoyed TWO presidencies!
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Postby zan » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:59 pm

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think any self-respecting person could compromise on Democracy just to satisfy the TCs.

If the TCs can't live with Democracy, they are free to depart!


One vote Tc and one Gc...What could be more democratic than that.... :roll:

If the TCs are unanimous (and I haven’t the faintest idea if they are) they’ll end up being the most influential group in Cyprus because their vote would swing any election one way or the other attaining them favorable roles!


Come on GR......How simplistic acn you turn a point in order to make yours :roll: Are you seriously telling me that you will have GC politicians who will do anything harmful to the GCs in order to be elected.......There would not be any point.....Why would TCs do anything to harm the GCs and inadvertently themselves???? It is a far cry from what you are suggesting in that we give a clear road to the GCs to see us off with no detrimental effect on Cyprus....Not long term any way. Hope you can see the difference? :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:05 pm

zan wrote:
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zan wrote:
Oracle wrote:I don't think any self-respecting person could compromise on Democracy just to satisfy the TCs.

If the TCs can't live with Democracy, they are free to depart!


One vote Tc and one Gc...What could be more democratic than that.... :roll:

If the TCs are unanimous (and I haven’t the faintest idea if they are) they’ll end up being the most influential group in Cyprus because their vote would swing any election one way or the other attaining them favorable roles!


Come on GR......How simplistic acn you turn a point in order to make yours :roll: Are you seriously telling me that you will have GC politicians who will do anything harmful to the GCs in order to be elected.......There would not be any point.....Why would TCs do anything to harm the GCs and inadvertently themselves???? It is a far cry from what you are suggesting in that we give a clear road to the GCs to see us off with no detrimental effect on Cyprus....Not long term any way. Hope you can see the difference? :roll:

Harmful is a bit harsh… :? I was talking about what happens at every GC election where you have… AKEL 30% and DISY 30%, …so DIKO (17%) finds itself in the most powerful position offering its support to the highest “bidder”!!! :wink:
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Postby Nikitas » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:17 pm

For obvious reasons what GR is describing is not going to happen. But for equally obvious reasons it is clear that such a developement would make the TCs more politically influential than the Turkish minority in Bulgaria, where 10 per cent of the population is the arbiter of the election result.

If the TCs were a bit more agile in their thinking they would demand both a BBF and a one man one vote system. Then they would really be enjoying the best of all worlds. But the current game is so firmly fixed in the headds of all politicians that no one can think out of the box. This goes for both GCs and TCs.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:53 pm

Can you please clarify exactly how that would be when the balance is 80% vs 20% and its a known fact that GCs would do anything to brush us aside politically if they have the opportunity.
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