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[zan]

freedom of move ment and settlement cannot be stopped but permanent residence for voting purposes can there is a big difference. As the GCs claim Cyprus is to small to divide so political voting can be staged in a country wide melting pot whereby the top GC and TC candidates will be voted into serve the country in both the lower and upper houses.

What do you mean "permanent residence for voting purposes" can be stopped?

Do we agree people should be able to move and settle in which ever state they want?

When voting for political representation everyone all over the island will vote for the candidates they wish GCs and TCs....the top candidates with the most votes go forward to represent us in government in both houses...the first 75 GCs and 35 TCs with a balance of voting to pass bills...50% of each state in the lower house and 3 out of 5 upper house for each state.

Just out of curiosity, VP, if the above system were to be accepted, would you mind telling me why would there be a need for a BBF of two separate states when the above can be achieved as a Unitary state. What you are suggesting if I'm not mistaken, is something very similar to the 1960 constitution but with an added bonus of separate states to be kept at today’s divided lines. Now VP, it was very hard to maintain the 1960 constitution as a Unitary state because it was not working, hence the 13 points proposal by Makarios, so how on earth do you expect your idea to work when you also want a separate states on top of it. Do think the GCs are going to say to you,

"sure VP, lets bring back the 1960's system of undemocratic measures, and just for your troubles, we will also let you have 37% of the country to be under your sole rules, and once that is established and accepted internationally, and next time there is another unrest in Cyprus between the communities just because the temptation will be there from here on to divide the island permanently, you can just declare the north as a Independent country by wanting to have your own self determination."

Now, did I leave anything out. If so, please fill the gaps for me, will you.!

There has to be a certain degree of autonomy which was notso in the 1960 agreements, both sides have to have the freedom to rule themselves and be controlled by the federal level...why do you think GCs are against this sort of structure its becuase they will lose the numerical advantage they are hell bent on using to take control of both states. If we have not restrcitions on move ment and settlement which I support we must also put in place a voting system that will not be open to GC manipulation and overturn therefore pushing us out of having an effective say in our own future. Whats wrong with a first past the post system, arent those elected going to work for the good of the country as a whole?

Exactly why Kiks is an anomaly...He really believes we will be detrimental to Cyprus.....

[Viewpoint]

freedom of move ment and settlement cannot be stopped but permanent residence for voting purposes can there is a big difference. As the GCs claim Cyprus is to small to divide so political voting can be staged in a country wide melting pot whereby the top GC and TC candidates will be voted into serve the country in both the lower and upper houses.

What do you mean "permanent residence for voting purposes" can be stopped?

Do we agree people should be able to move and settle in which ever state they want?

When voting for political representation everyone all over the island will vote for the candidates they wish GCs and TCs....the top candidates with the most votes go forward to represent us in government in both houses...the first 75 GCs and 35 TCs with a balance of voting to pass bills...50% of each state in the lower house and 3 out of 5 upper house for each state.

Just out of curiosity, VP, if the above system were to be accepted, would you mind telling me why would there be a need for a BBF of two separate states when the above can be achieved as a Unitary state. What you are suggesting if I'm not mistaken, is something very similar to the 1960 constitution but with an added bonus of separate states to be kept at today’s divided lines. Now VP, it was very hard to maintain the 1960 constitution as a Unitary state because it was not working, hence the 13 points proposal by Makarios, so how on earth do you expect your idea to work when you also want a separate states on top of it. Do think the GCs are going to say to you,

"sure VP, lets bring back the 1960's system of undemocratic measures, and just for your troubles, we will also let you have 37% of the country to be under your sole rules, and once that is established and accepted internationally, and next time there is another unrest in Cyprus between the communities just because the temptation will be there from here on to divide the island permanently, you can just declare the north as a Independent country by wanting to have your own self determination."

Now, did I leave anything out. If so, please fill the gaps for me, will you.!

There has to be a certain degree of autonomy which was notso in the 1960 agreements, both sides have to have the freedom to rule themselves and be controlled by the federal level...why do you think GCs are against this sort of structure its becuase they will lose the numerical advantage they are hell bent on using to take control of both states. If we have not restrcitions on move ment and settlement which I support we must also put in place a voting system that will not be open to GC manipulation and overturn therefore pushing us out of having an effective say in our own future. Whats wrong with a first past the post system, arent those elected going to work for the good of the country as a whole?

Exactly why Kiks is an anomaly...He really believes we will be detrimental to Cyprus.....

This is what he cannot get into his head as long as the issues rely on the goodwill of GCs everything appears to be find but when the shoe is on the other foot it appears impossible, hypocracy at its best.

[Oracle]

The TCs have no place in Cyprus politics as a community ... only as individuals, if they wish to stop fraternising with the enemy!

I wish u were the president of so-called RoC and tell this publicly... Cyprus problem would politically be solved in just few seconds...

Maybe he gives you credit for understanding that people are individuals, and are treated as such, in a democracy. Unbelievable that it should be any other way ....

[Kikapu]

Perhaps that as you agree the 13 point change was needed to make the 1960 Zurich agreement work then you should also accept that the two states are needed for the same purpose....

That's what I have been proposing, Zan, a Democratic system and BBF under True Federation with Federated states of north and south.!

[zan]

freedom of move ment and settlement cannot be stopped but permanent residence for voting purposes can there is a big difference. As the GCs claim Cyprus is to small to divide so political voting can be staged in a country wide melting pot whereby the top GC and TC candidates will be voted into serve the country in both the lower and upper houses.

What do you mean "permanent residence for voting purposes" can be stopped?

Do we agree people should be able to move and settle in which ever state they want?

When voting for political representation everyone all over the island will vote for the candidates they wish GCs and TCs....the top candidates with the most votes go forward to represent us in government in both houses...the first 75 GCs and 35 TCs with a balance of voting to pass bills...50% of each state in the lower house and 3 out of 5 upper house for each state.

Just out of curiosity, VP, if the above system were to be accepted, would you mind telling me why would there be a need for a BBF of two separate states when the above can be achieved as a Unitary state. What you are suggesting if I'm not mistaken, is something very similar to the 1960 constitution but with an added bonus of separate states to be kept at today’s divided lines. Now VP, it was very hard to maintain the 1960 constitution as a Unitary state because it was not working, hence the 13 points proposal by Makarios, so how on earth do you expect your idea to work when you also want a separate states on top of it. Do think the GCs are going to say to you,

"sure VP, lets bring back the 1960's system of undemocratic measures, and just for your troubles, we will also let you have 37% of the country to be under your sole rules, and once that is established and accepted internationally, and next time there is another unrest in Cyprus between the communities just because the temptation will be there from here on to divide the island permanently, you can just declare the north as a Independent country by wanting to have your own self determination."

Now, did I leave anything out. If so, please fill the gaps for me, will you.!

There has to be a certain degree of autonomy which was notso in the 1960 agreements, both sides have to have the freedom to rule themselves and be controlled by the federal level...why do you think GCs are against this sort of structure its becuase they will lose the numerical advantage they are hell bent on using to take control of both states. If we have not restrcitions on move ment and settlement which I support we must also put in place a voting system that will not be open to GC manipulation and overturn therefore pushing us out of having an effective say in our own future. Whats wrong with a first past the post system, arent those elected going to work for the good of the country as a whole?

Exactly why Kiks is an anomaly...He really believes we will be detrimental to Cyprus.....

This is what he cannot get into his head as long as the issues rely on the goodwill of GCs everything appears to be find but when the shoe is on the other foot it appears impossible, hypocracy at its best.

I bet he even reads what you just wrote wrong....He probably read the word "hypocrasy" as "Democracy".....

[Viewpoint]

Perhaps that as you agree the 13 point change was needed to make the 1960 Zurich agreement work then you should also accept that the two states are needed for the same purpose....

That's what I have been proposing, Zan, a Democratic system and BBF under True Federation with Federated states of north and south.!

Whats wrong with my proposal? one man one vote is totally democratic and does not infringe on anyones rights.

[zan]

Perhaps that as you agree the 13 point change was needed to make the 1960 Zurich agreement work then you should also accept that the two states are needed for the same purpose....

That's what I have been proposing, Zan, a Democratic system and BBF under True Federation with Federated states of north and south.!

Whats wrong with my proposal? one man one vote is totally democratic and does not infringe on anyones rights.

[Kikapu]

Perhaps that as you agree the 13 point change was needed to make the 1960 Zurich agreement work then you should also accept that the two states are needed for the same purpose....

That's what I have been proposing, Zan, a Democratic system and BBF under True Federation with Federated states of north and south.!

Whats wrong with my proposal? one man one vote is totally democratic and does not infringe on anyones rights.

I'll get to you right after Pasta for lunch. !

[zan]

Perhaps that as you agree the 13 point change was needed to make the 1960 Zurich agreement work then you should also accept that the two states are needed for the same purpose....

That's what I have been proposing, Zan, a Democratic system and BBF under True Federation with Federated states of north and south.!

Whats wrong with my proposal? one man one vote is totally democratic and does not infringe on anyones rights.

I'll get to you right after Pasta for lunch. !

I bet its not Magarina Bulli....

[Kikapu]

I'll get to you right after Pasta for lunch. !

I bet its not Magarina Bulli....

No, but second best thing, Zan. Spaghetti with Italian herbs, chilli and garlic "roasted" in hot olive oil, then tossed together with sieved spaghetti until thoroughly mixed, then served on a freshly grated parmesan cheese, sprinkling more parmesan on top of the spaghetti after serving on a large flat plate.!