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[Bananiot]

This is (among else) what Papadopoulos agreed with Talat on July 8 2006:

Commitment to the reunification of Cyprus based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality as set out in the relevant Security Council resolution.

They agreed on political equality but how is the last part interpeted?

[insan]

This is (among else) what Papadopoulos agreed with Talat on July 8 2006:

Commitment to the reunification of Cyprus based on a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation and political equality as set out in the relevant Security Council resolution.

They agreed on political equality but how is the last part interpeted?

According to many Hellenic sources "political equality of 2 communities" just refers to equal status of 2 sides at talks.

[Oracle]

The TCs have no place in Cyprus politics as a community ... only as individuals, if they wish to stop fraternising with the enemy!

[zan]

The TCs have no place in Cyprus politics as a community ... only as individuals, if they wish to stop fraternising with the enemy!

What does it say in the "RoC" constitution????

[Oracle]

The TCs have no place in Cyprus politics as a community ... only as individuals, if they wish to stop fraternising with the enemy!

What does it say in the "RoC" constitution????

But they walked away from that so we are happy to modify it, accordingly

[zan]

The TCs have no place in Cyprus politics as a community ... only as individuals, if they wish to stop fraternising with the enemy!

What does it say in the "RoC" constitution????

But they walked away from that so we are happy to modify it, accordingly

Strange that...The EU allowed a "country" to come into its membership when it does not even follow its own constitution....

[Kikapu]

freedom of move ment and settlement cannot be stopped but permanent residence for voting purposes can there is a big difference. As the GCs claim Cyprus is to small to divide so political voting can be staged in a country wide melting pot whereby the top GC and TC candidates will be voted into serve the country in both the lower and upper houses.

What do you mean "permanent residence for voting purposes" can be stopped?

Do we agree people should be able to move and settle in which ever state they want?

When voting for political representation everyone all over the island will vote for the candidates they wish GCs and TCs....the top candidates with the most votes go forward to represent us in government in both houses...the first 75 GCs and 35 TCs with a balance of voting to pass bills...50% of each state in the lower house and 3 out of 5 upper house for each state.

Just out of curiosity, VP, if the above system were to be accepted, would you mind telling me why would there be a need for a BBF of two separate states when the above can be achieved as a Unitary state. What you are suggesting if I'm not mistaken, is something very similar to the 1960 constitution but with an added bonus of separate states to be kept at today’s divided lines. Now VP, it was very hard to maintain the 1960 constitution as a Unitary state because it was not working, hence the 13 points proposal by Makarios, so how on earth do you expect your idea to work when you also want a separate states on top of it. Do think the GCs are going to say to you,

"sure VP, lets bring back the 1960's system of undemocratic measures, and just for your troubles, we will also let you have 37% of the country to be under your sole rules, and once that is established and accepted internationally, and next time there is another unrest in Cyprus between the communities just because the temptation will be there from here on to divide the island permanently, you can just declare the north as a Independent country by wanting to have your own self determination."

Now, did I leave anything out. If so, please fill the gaps for me, will you.!

[zan]

freedom of move ment and settlement cannot be stopped but permanent residence for voting purposes can there is a big difference. As the GCs claim Cyprus is to small to divide so political voting can be staged in a country wide melting pot whereby the top GC and TC candidates will be voted into serve the country in both the lower and upper houses.

What do you mean "permanent residence for voting purposes" can be stopped?

Do we agree people should be able to move and settle in which ever state they want?

When voting for political representation everyone all over the island will vote for the candidates they wish GCs and TCs....the top candidates with the most votes go forward to represent us in government in both houses...the first 75 GCs and 35 TCs with a balance of voting to pass bills...50% of each state in the lower house and 3 out of 5 upper house for each state.

Just out of curiosity, VP, if the above system were to be accepted, would you mind telling me why would there be a need for a BBF of two separate states when the above can be achieved as a Unitary state. What you are suggesting if I'm not mistaken, is something very similar to the 1960 constitution but with an added bonus of separate states to be kept at today’s divided lines. Now VP, it was very hard to maintain the 1960 constitution as a Unitary state because it was not working, hence the 13 points proposal by Makarios, so how on earth do you expect your idea to work when you also want a separate states on top of it. Do think the GCs are going to say to you,

"sure VP, lets bring back the 1960's system of undemocratic measures, and just for your troubles, we will also let you have 37% of the country to be under your sole rules, and once that is established and accepted internationally, and next time there is another unrest in Cyprus between the communities just because the temptation will be there from here on to divide the island permanently, you can just declare the north as a Independent country by wanting to have your own self determination."

Now, did I leave anything out. If so, please fill the gaps for me, will you.!

Perhaps that as you agree the 13 point change was needed to make the 1960 Zurich agreement work then you should also accept that the two states are needed for the same purpose....

[Viewpoint]

freedom of move ment and settlement cannot be stopped but permanent residence for voting purposes can there is a big difference. As the GCs claim Cyprus is to small to divide so political voting can be staged in a country wide melting pot whereby the top GC and TC candidates will be voted into serve the country in both the lower and upper houses.

What do you mean "permanent residence for voting purposes" can be stopped?

Do we agree people should be able to move and settle in which ever state they want?

When voting for political representation everyone all over the island will vote for the candidates they wish GCs and TCs....the top candidates with the most votes go forward to represent us in government in both houses...the first 75 GCs and 35 TCs with a balance of voting to pass bills...50% of each state in the lower house and 3 out of 5 upper house for each state.

Just out of curiosity, VP, if the above system were to be accepted, would you mind telling me why would there be a need for a BBF of two separate states when the above can be achieved as a Unitary state. What you are suggesting if I'm not mistaken, is something very similar to the 1960 constitution but with an added bonus of separate states to be kept at today’s divided lines. Now VP, it was very hard to maintain the 1960 constitution as a Unitary state because it was not working, hence the 13 points proposal by Makarios, so how on earth do you expect your idea to work when you also want a separate states on top of it. Do think the GCs are going to say to you,

"sure VP, lets bring back the 1960's system of undemocratic measures, and just for your troubles, we will also let you have 37% of the country to be under your sole rules, and once that is established and accepted internationally, and next time there is another unrest in Cyprus between the communities just because the temptation will be there from here on to divide the island permanently, you can just declare the north as a Independent country by wanting to have your own self determination."

Now, did I leave anything out. If so, please fill the gaps for me, will you.!

There has to be a certain degree of autonomy which was notso in the 1960 agreements, both sides have to have the freedom to rule themselves and be controlled by the federal level...why do you think GCs are against this sort of structure its becuase they will lose the numerical advantage they are hell bent on using to take control of both states. If we have not restrcitions on move ment and settlement which I support we must also put in place a voting system that will not be open to GC manipulation and overturn therefore pushing us out of having an effective say in our own future. Whats wrong with a first past the post system, arent those elected going to work for the good of the country as a whole?

[insan]

The TCs have no place in Cyprus politics as a community ... only as individuals, if they wish to stop fraternising with the enemy!

I wish u were the president of so-called RoC and tell this publicly... Cyprus problem would politically be solved in just few seconds...