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[Get Real!]

There r 6 independent Turkic states, why not one more? Time is approaching fast to begin officially talking about partition of Cyprus.

So how do you plan to get the RoC to sign away 37% of its territory to form a new Turkic state?

[insan]

There r 6 independent Turkic states, why not one more? Time is approaching fast to begin officially talking about partition of Cyprus.

So how do you plan to get the RoC to sign away 37% of its territory to form a new Turkic state?

Imo, 30% would be the fair share of TCs. The rest is urs...

[Get Real!]

There r 6 independent Turkic states, why not one more? Time is approaching fast to begin officially talking about partition of Cyprus.

So how do you plan to get the RoC to sign away 37% of its territory to form a new Turkic state?

Imo, 30% would be the fair share of TCs. The rest is urs...

You're so kind...

You still haven't revealed your scandal...

[repulsewarrior]

...interesting result, i suppose i cannot vote like most readers because it is a thought anathema to Human Principals where in this Unity, we are other than equal and Individual. Cypriots as "Greeks" and "Turks" a sad depression not out of despair, ... their Principal: Rights as a People; Rights as Individuals, Rights as Persons, ignored, for over thirty years without a definition Bicommunal where by this (our) demonstration in Cyprus can be emulated elsewhere.

...here is the rub which nobody gets: by definition Bicommunal suggests anything but two parts.
Therefore, since one part seems out of the question, i suggest to you three governments; a Unity as Cypriots with a strong Central Government, and in our Bizonal nature having Representation, as Persons as well, through National Assemblies. Enclaves is not a dirty word, it is a geographic term and in this context they are way to add diversity to a cultural stock (which has been torn in two) so that they can sustain a debate in which they will thrive as one Identity.

in my mind they are like jewels tossed across a map of Cyprus. Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots will have the opportunity to return as communities. New communities will be formed as well, (now and by others sometime in the future) and although many settlers will return to Turkey, homes should be offered to settlers (who have the qualities to be Cypriots) now living in houses, who wish to become Cypriots and who in the process are displaced themselves; three (or more) governments, two levels of government, bi.

"two politically equal communities", i think so, if they both demonstrate the Humility, the Grace, and the Charity, to respect and recognise the needs of the Minorities that live amongst them.

...please read my manifesto.

[Nikitas]

"Imo, 30% would be the fair share of TCs. The rest is urs..."

The less territory is returned to the GCs the more pressure there will be for a settlement of the property issue on the basis of the owner being the first to make a decision regarding his property. The more territory is returned so that a maximum percentage of displaced property owners can return to their properties under GC administration the more likelihood there is for settlement. It is a simple choice.

This is a simple calculation and it bears no bravado and showmanship. Those that want to play tough and spout nonsense about land "won with blood" and all that shit, are undermining the prospects of a settlement.

[Viewpoint]

"Imo, 30% would be the fair share of TCs. The rest is urs..."

The less territory is returned to the GCs the more pressure there will be for a settlement of the property issue on the basis of the owner being the first to make a decision regarding his property. The more territory is returned so that a maximum percentage of displaced property owners can return to their properties under GC administration the more likelihood there is for settlement. It is a simple choice.

This is a simple calculation and it bears no bravado and showmanship. Those that want to play tough and spout nonsense about land "won with blood" and all that shit, are undermining the prospects of a settlement.

Its 29% thats on offer and stems from previous negotiations GCs accepted this under Makarios and even in the AP so there must be concrete reasoning behind this figure. GCs can getproperty rights backk and even to choose to live in the TC state if they wish.

[repulsewarrior]

as Cypriots we can choose to live Bicommunally.
as this island's dwellers we can be its Steward through
our self representation, this is the gift of Mankind
to us an end to subjugation

insan i have said the same
i find it curious how Crete and Rhodes are not independant as Hellenic States, but this is not a game of points
or are you implying that as a Turcophone one should have a sole allegence to the State of Turkey

Nikitas my redline is slimmer than yours but to end the existence of a border there is still this territory to define. If there will be displacement in any case, consider how enclaves will help in the redistribution of land.

[insan]

Nikitas, can u please interprete the below quoted explanation?

In 1990 a major development was an initiative by the Secretary-General to provide a more elaborate definition of the concept of bi-zonality in his 8 March 1990 report to the Council. In it he also raised the concept of political equality. (The report was subsequently endorsed by the Council in resolution 716 of 11 October 1991.) It said:

“The political equality of the two communities in and the bi-communal nature of the federation need to be acknowledged. While political equality does not mean equal numerical participation in all federal government branches and administration, it should be reflected inter alia in various ways: in the requirement that the federal constitution of the State of Cyprus be approved or amended with the concurrence of both communities; in the effective participation of both communities in all organs and decisions of the federal Government in safeguards to ensure that the federal Government will not be empowered to adopt any measures against the interests of one community; and in the equality and identical powers and functions of the two federated States.” “The bi-zonality of the federation should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated State will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area.” (S/21183, Annex I)

4.3 . Bi-zonality and political equality revisited

In 1992, Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali introduced a new “Set of Ideas” for a draft settlement, further expanding the previous concepts and proposing a secular, bi-zonal, bi-communal federal republic composed of two politically equal states, to be submitted to both communities for referendum (S/23780). The plan defined the relationship between Greek and Turkish Cypriots as not one of majority and minority, but rather one of two communities in the state of Cyprus. The concept of political equality picked up the idea endorsed by the Council in resolution 716. Bi-zonality would be reflected in the fact that each state in the federation would exercise jurisdiction over a clear majority of the population and of land ownership in its area. The plan included a description of the powers and functions of the federal government, and provided for the demilitarisation of the island and the upholding of the treaty of guarantee and of alliance. The plan did not include measures on territorial adjustment or displaced persons. The Council endorsed the plan in resolution 750 of 10 April 1992. However, the 1992 talks were not successful.

[url]http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/site/c.glKWLeMTIsG/b.4474149/k.DEB5/Special_Research_Report_No_3brCyprus_New_hope_after_45_years_on_the_Security_Council_agendabr4_September_2008.htm[/url]


Nikitas, plz enlighten us; how TCs and Turks misinterpreted the political equality concept.

R there any GCs, Greeks, TCs, foreigners or "Cypriots" tell us how TCs and Turks misinterpreted the bi-zonality and "political equality of 2 communities"?

[B25]

I will tell you exactly what it means.

It means you have no right to quote such articles and resolutions when you have broken god knows how many in defiance.

You have ignored all resolutions calling for your withdrawal and the reinstatement of the RoC control over the WHOLE island, yet you come here with the bloody cheek to put this forward unshamed.

In conclusion, fuck off and when you are in a position to adhere to the rules we may just follow suit.

Did that explain it enough for you??

Have a nice evening.

Jesus the audacity of some!

[insan]

I will tell you exactly what it means.

It means you have no right to quote such articles and resolutions when you have broken god knows how many in defiance.

You have ignored all resolutions calling for your withdrawal and the reinstatement of the RoC control over the WHOLE island, yet you come here with the bloody cheek to put this forward unshamed.

In conclusion, fuck off and when you are in a position to adhere to the rules we may just follow suit.

Did that explain it enough for you??

Have a nice evening.

Jesus the audacity of some!

If u r not here to debate anything, then fuck off to bed and have a nice sleep!

All resolutions call upon all concerned parties to exert finding a just and viable solution acceptable for all...