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[Tim Drayton]

Membership of the European Union and being physically located in the continent of Europe are two unrelated matters, anyhow.

First time I agree with you. And EU proved us that countries outside of Europe can be admitted for full membership as well. Christians of Lebanon and Egypt should apply as well. They are as eligible as south cypriots!

Exactly. This is why, on 12 September 1963, it was posible for the "Agreement Creating An Association Between The Republic of Turkey and the European Economic Community" to be signed between Turkey and the then EEC which envisaged as its final goal full membership for the whole of Turkey, including Karaköy (geographically in Europe) and Kadıköy (geographically in Asia) - I have enjoyed many a tea and simit on that trip.

[Kikapu]

Are they not two separate issues that have to be sorted out Kiks......Article 301 can be sorted out long before any other points.....I predict the recognition of the "RoC" will be the last issue.....

The recognition of the RoC must come before Turkey's EU membership prospects or Turkey's EU Privileged memberships prospects. Changes to Article 301 is only necessary if Turkey chooses EU membership, otherwise it can remain as is, but recognition of the RoC will be a must which ever choice Turkey makes of the above two options offered to her. For the RoC against Turkey, it is
"Heads I win, Tails you lose", as long as Turkey wants piece of the EU membership club. If not, then that will be another story altogether, which will be handled by the EU courts based on the ECJ rulings.!

[Viewpoint]

Are they not two separate issues that have to be sorted out Kiks......Article 301 can be sorted out long before any other points.....I predict the recognition of the "RoC" will be the last issue.....

The recognition of the RoC must come before Turkey's EU membership prospects or Turkey's EU Privileged memberships prospects. Changes to Article 301 is only necessary if Turkey chooses EU membership, otherwise it can remain as is, but recognition of the RoC will be a must which ever choice Turkey makes of the above two options offered to her. For the RoC against Turkey, it is
"Heads I win, Tails you lose", as long as Turkey wants piece of the EU membership club. If not, then that will be another story altogether, which will be handled by the EU courts based on the ECJ rulings.!

Turkey will never directly recognizr the "RoC" in its current form, only if the TCs return or a solution is found will there be advancement, other wise the south will continue to be known to Turkey as the GC administration.

[zan]

Are they not two separate issues that have to be sorted out Kiks......Article 301 can be sorted out long before any other points.....I predict the recognition of the "RoC" will be the last issue.....

The recognition of the RoC must come before Turkey's EU membership prospects or Turkey's EU Privileged memberships prospects. Changes to Article 301 is only necessary if Turkey chooses EU membership, otherwise it can remain as is, but recognition of the RoC will be a must which ever choice Turkey makes of the above two options offered to her. For the RoC against Turkey, it is
"Heads I win, Tails you lose", as long as Turkey wants piece of the EU membership club. If not, then that will be another story altogether, which will be handled by the EU courts based on the ECJ rulings.!

You have just repeated what I said Kiks

If Turkey walks then there will be no change in its importance to the EU......The membership is not the be all and end all....

[Viewpoint]

As someone high up in Turkish authority said to me Turkey is in no rush to enter the EU and will wait it out for a window of opportunity which will appear and then they will go into action to achieve their goals. It would be very unwise to under estimate Turkey.

[zan]

As someone high up in Turkish authority said to me Turkey is in no rush to enter the EU and will wait it out for a window of opportunity which will appear and then they will go into action to achieve their goals. It would be very unwise to under estimate Turkey.

As every sensible country has done in the past....It is only the last few blocks of EU entries such as the eastern countries and "Cyprus" that had to be taken in quickly to solve problems rather than add to the union.

[Viewpoint]

As someone high up in Turkish authority said to me Turkey is in no rush to enter the EU and will wait it out for a window of opportunity which will appear and then they will go into action to achieve their goals. It would be very unwise to under estimate Turkey.

As every sensible country has done in the past....It is only the last few blocks of EU entries such as the eastern countries and "Cyprus" that had to be taken in quickly to solve problems rather than add to the union.

What gets me is how stupid the Gc south is about losing their leverage by threatening to use their veto and wishing Turkeys Eu apirations are twated, how short sighted can people be. Without Turkeys EU perspective they are fucked and will not even have any opportunity to talk to anyone about a solution.

[zan]

As someone high up in Turkish authority said to me Turkey is in no rush to enter the EU and will wait it out for a window of opportunity which will appear and then they will go into action to achieve their goals. It would be very unwise to under estimate Turkey.

As every sensible country has done in the past....It is only the last few blocks of EU entries such as the eastern countries and "Cyprus" that had to be taken in quickly to solve problems rather than add to the union.

What gets me is how stupid the Gc south is about losing their leverage by threatening to use their veto and wishing Turkeys Eu apirations are twated, how short sighted can people be. Without Turkeys EU perspective they are fucked and will not even have any opportunity to talk to anyone about a solution.

I would love to see the look on the face of the minnow hanging from a hook when it realises that it is the bait and not the main course..

[wallace]

As someone high up in Turkish authority said to me Turkey is in no rush to enter the EU and will wait it out for a window of opportunity which will appear and then they will go into action to achieve their goals. It would be very unwise to under estimate Turkey.

As every sensible country has done in the past....It is only the last few blocks of EU entries such as the eastern countries and "Cyprus" that had to be taken in quickly to solve problems rather than add to the union.

What gets me is how stupid the Gc south is about losing their leverage by threatening to use their veto and wishing Turkeys Eu apirations are twated, how short sighted can people be. Without Turkeys EU perspective they are fucked and will not even have any opportunity to talk to anyone about a solution.

Why are the Turks so eager to have a solution by the end of the year? Why are they pushing for timeframes and arbitration? So Turkeys EU perspective is there and they know what awaits them if no solution is found. It was Gul shouting a couple of days ago that Turkey wants full membership and that that is the only goal. When the time comes they will drop the TC's like a brick.

[BOF]

but as i mentioned with the Irish voting YES, if the treaty of Lisbon is ratified then it will " streamline decision making within the EU" .
I am led to believe that it will mean majoritiy acceptance will then become the norm rather than individual countries within the EU all agreeing.
Perhaps someone out there is better informed?