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[YFred]

Don't tempt fate, it may yet happen.

Well, I think exkiwipat will be the most surprised, devastated and humiliated if this were to happen, since both Greeks and Turks already know this is has always been the aim of Ankara and the TC's for the last fifty years.

And I'm sure it's part of Turkish strategy is to make sure a resolution to Cyprus becomes the last thing they need to fulfill, or even maybe Ankara's final ace up its sleeve to assure membership. But it's a stupid move. Greece and Cyprus will definitely veto Turkey at the final hurdle. And most of Europe will be cheering us anyway (you do realise they really don't want you in the club). Then all this groveling to the EU would have been for nothing. You will be come a laughing stock ie European wanna-be's with egg in your face.

Your understanding of the situation needs to be further refined because it is not correct. EU wants Turkey to be close but not too close. They can get her to do all the dirty work without really suffering the consequences. This reminds me of the Cinderella story with the RoC and Greece being the two ugly sisters using their mother to make Cinderella do all the work and them just laze about and have a free ride. It just goes to show that we can learn a lot from children’s stories.

A bunch of EU extremists(A lot of Christian democrats and some conservatives) that r against full EU membership of Turkey don't represent whole of EU, YFred... There is a considerable amount of EU states and political groups in EU that supports full EU membership of Turkey... so please refrain making overgeneralizations on whole of EU political groups.

You of all people should know Insan that with the capitalist world the interest of the multinationals come first well before the politicians and certainly before people and democracy. We can kid ourselves as much as we like but realities are slightly different. Turkey’s fate is really in the hands of the multinationals and the politicians play lip service to them.
The way The Insurance Companies are spending 300 million dollars to block Obamas health care legislation is just incredible, especially when you consider that ordinary people with no insurance cover are dying of lack of medication and 60 million American citizens are living below poverty line not that different than worst parts of India and Pakistan. While American Government spends Trillions of dollars bombing the poorest nation on earth. But what goes around comes around and unfortunately it is our children that will suffer the consequences of the mess we create just like we suffer the consequences of the mess the previous generation created for us. I must stress that it is the minority who create the mess and we all suffer the consequences.
What a world. I hope the next one is not so bad and is run under better rules

[barouti]

Your understanding of the situation needs to be further refined because it is not correct. EU wants Turkey to be close but not too close. They can get her to do all the dirty work without really suffering the consequences. This reminds me of the Cinderella story with the RoC and Greece being the two ugly sisters using their mother to make Cinderella do all the work and them just laze about and have a free ride. It just goes to show that we can learn a lot from children’s stories.

Sure, the EU wants Turkey firmly in the Western camp as it definitely doesn’t want a rogue state on its border. That’s why they’re offering Privileged Partnership instead of EU membership. And I don’t quite understand what you meant by the EU wanting Turkey to do all the dirty work. Is this a reference to providing Europe with all those cheap manufactured goods? As long as you keep your minimum wage at €200 per month, then there will be demand for them. If prices begin to rise then there’s always China to do the dirty work for EU households.

Re Turkey and the EU there are a lot of cons associated with a country of 75 million mainly poor Muslims wanting to become a member. The most notable is the Christian club mentality of the EU, even amongst the atheists. But there’s also your intrusive military. The consensus in Europe is army generals are there to take orders from civilians and not give them. With such a large population, Turkey will have more seats than Germany in the Euro parliament, which will mean you having a huge political voice in deciding the future of Europe. Nobody wants that (pls refer to modern comparisons to the Siege of Vienna). There’s also the likelihood of an influx of millions of Turkish peasants from the slums of Istanbul and Ankara looking for a better life in the slums of Berlin and Paris. And of course there are the usual concerns of human rights, censorship, etc.

What's the pros for Europe with Turkey becoming a EU member. Not much if you really look at it. That’s why the EU prefers Turkey to have privileged partnership. And besides, it's not only the more realistic option but the one that will be better for a Turkey that simply doesn’t want to adapt to change. Because with privileged partnership you can have your Article 301, Mountain Turks, non-Ecumenical Patriarch and pariah “TRNC” puppet-state. With EU membership you can’t.

So why are so many of your fellow countrymen still insisting on it? The “privilege” of finally becoming “Europeans”, right? But are you willing to make the necessary sacrifices to become “Europeans”. You’re not. Prior to Dec 2004 you thought you could bully yourself into the EU on your own terms. “Europe needs Turkey” is what you believed. And you’re still clinging with your Middle-Eastern mindset of “we’ve done more than enough, so let us in or you’ll suffer the consequences”. But there are really no consequences for Europe.

The bottom line is to become a member of the Club you will need to fulfil all the criteria and chapters, which includes recognising all the member states, especially Cyprus. There is no way around it. So get over your paranoia these are conditions placed on Turkey and no one else. It applies to all candidates. But the best part is the EU is banking on your refusal to fulfil its criteria. This will mean any failure to become a member will be your fault. Pretty clever strategy.

And perhaps one of the best diplomatic moves by Greece in a very long time was to lift the veto on Turkey's EU candidacy. We've made the occupation of the northern Cyprus a diplomatic and judicial headache for Turkey.

Re the fairytale comparison, I’m sure you idealistic view is Turkey is indeed Cinderella, but you really don’t have a Prince Charming searching for you with a glass slipper and therefore there can be no “happily ever after”. But since we’re making comparisons with fairytales then the most appropriate one would be the Three Little Pigs. That would make Turkey the Big Bad Wolf, who will huff and puff until he blooows the house down if doesn’t get what he wants. Sure, when the house is made out of straw and wood, damage can be made. But when the house is made out of bricks, as most are today, then your blowing hot wind is ineffective. And the EU is definitely made out of bricks and you'll be running out of breathe sooner than later.

[barouti]

A bunch of EU extremists(A lot of Christian democrats and some conservatives) that r against full EU membership of Turkey don't represent whole of EU, YFred... There is a considerable amount of EU states and political groups in EU that supports full EU membership of Turkey... so please refrain making overgeneralizations on whole of EU political groups.

Um no. Majority of Europeans do not consider Turks as Europeans and do not want Turkey in the EU. The only ones offering you any support is the US lackey British. And them wanting you in has much to do with keeping the EU an economic zone rather than a political entente. And yet the Brits had to sit back and accept Cyprus has a full EU member.

But it's ironic how you refer to Christian Democrats and other conservatives as EU extremists, especially when you have the AKP (Islamic conservatives) in government in Turkey, and the opposition is the nationalistic Kemalists.

[runaway]

A bunch of EU extremists(A lot of Christian democrats and some conservatives) that r against full EU membership of Turkey don't represent whole of EU, YFred... There is a considerable amount of EU states and political groups in EU that supports full EU membership of Turkey... so please refrain making overgeneralizations on whole of EU political groups.

Um no. Majority of Europeans do not consider Turks as Europeans.

and south cypriots should be considered as Europeans? Man you don't even live in Europe.

[B25]

A bunch of EU extremists(A lot of Christian democrats and some conservatives) that r against full EU membership of Turkey don't represent whole of EU, YFred... There is a considerable amount of EU states and political groups in EU that supports full EU membership of Turkey... so please refrain making overgeneralizations on whole of EU political groups.

Um no. Majority of Europeans do not consider Turks as Europeans.

and south cypriots should be considered as Europeans? Man you don't even live in Europe.

Is Cyprus in the EU ?????? Yeeesssss!

Is Turkey in the EU, F no. And never will be.

So who has to worry about what??? Dream on buddy.

In case it hasn't dawn on you, but the Turkish military has no influence in the EU, they can huff and puff all the like I wonder when the next Turkish coup will be?????

[barouti]

and south cypriots should be considered as Europeans? Man you don't even live in Europe.

"south cypriots" as in citizens of the RoC including those ethnically cleansed by Attila? Yep, all Greeks are considered Europeans. That fact really bothers you, doesn't it.

[barouti]

In the spirit of Greek-Turkish rapprochement, I'll answer on behalf of runaway.

Is Cyprus in the EU?

Yes.

Is Turkey in the EU

No.

[B25]

Why thank you kind sir, but you should let the moron answer for himself, it might just sink in if he hears himself say it

[runaway]

south cypriot land is NOT in the European continent. If you name Turkish Anatolian land as Minor Asia, then south cyprus greek administration can only be micro asia.

[Oracle]

south cypriot land is NOT in the European continent. If you name Turkish Anatolian land as Minor Asia, then south cyprus greek administration can only be micro asia.

Well I guess the European Continent just shifted a little, all for the honour of accommodating the RoC ....

Burn, envious Turk!