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[Hermes]

Just looked up the original text in Politis. The correct translation is "permit more settlers to remain on the island". So even ICG has realised that the settler issue is a serious problem in finding a solution. Ironic that these same guys, the ICG, were criticising the GC side last week for lack of realism, and now they are proposing pretty much the same things that Christofias proposed all along.

Thanks for clarifying that, Nikitas. The thing I took from the article is the apparent realisation by the Turks that a solution needs a new "guarantee" and security arrangement for the Republic. The logical guarantors are the EU. This is far from the bullshit rhetoric of Turkey wanting to maintain intervention rights - a complete non-starter as far as the G/Cs are concerned. Of course, if this is to be bargained away in exchange for a few settlers more, well it all depends how many I guess...

[Nikitas]

The GCs are now the APPARENT bad guys regarding the settlers. However, the real objectors are the TCs, they are the ones who will have to live with the settlers. But the Tcs cannot openly demand removal of the settlers, that task is left to the GCs.

[zan]

The GCs are now the APPARENT bad guys regarding the settlers. However, the real objectors are the TCs, they are the ones who will have to live with the settlers. But the Tcs cannot openly demand removal of the settlers, that task is left to the GCs.

Perhaps we can start a little "Inter-communal fighting" and PERSUADE them to leave in their thousands.


Don't believe hat all TCs are unhappy with the so called settlers......ALL are fed up with the bad crowd and thats as should be.

If it were Turks marching through the streets of Istanbul demanding that all immigrants after a certain period should leave the country then you would be up in arms and calling them barbarians...but you want us to do the same top the people that have had nothing to do with the Cyprob except for trying to better themselves. If we were not isolated from the world and allowed to function properly, do you believe that we would have any of the problems we have today. You run free in the world as the "RoC" and watch as we suffer under embargoes and expect us to able to come out of it smelling of roses......We do what we have to do in order to survive on our island.......The rest of the TC moaning about foreigners cuts no ice with me...I hear it in the UK as well...It is racist and even more racist when hear an indian guy they should stop letting in any more of his own people......Talk about pull up the ladder and the "I'm alright jack" syndrome...

[halil]

International Crisis group full report in pdf version .(43 pages.)

take all your times and read it .

http://www.crisisgroup.org/library/docu ... tition.pdf

[B25]

Zan, don't be playing the honest victim again here.

They are illegal immigrants nothing more nothing less.

You deny people the right to inherit family fortunes, but lets not talk about that right now, you should also clear up Constantinipole of illegals, I would.

Embargoes my backside, you are crying this argument again, you want to come and see the TC builders where I live coming to work in mercs, never mind your F embargoes bullshit again.

No, if you were embargoed you'd know about it, shame we have a softie government, otherwise we would give you something to cry about.

Pft!

[zan]

Zan, don't be playing the honest victim again here.

They are illegal immigrants nothing more nothing less.

You deny people the right to inherit family fortunes, but lets not talk about that right now, you should also clear up Constantinipole of illegals, I would.

Embargoes my backside, you are crying this argument again, you want to come and see the TC builders where I live coming to work in mercs, never mind your F embargoes bullshit again.

No, if you were embargoed you'd know about it, shame we have a softie government, otherwise we would give you something to cry about.

Pft!

You are offering me the morsel of personal wealth and nothing more for my people...That is where your embargoes come in.....Wave the carrot but the stick behind your back is waiting!!!

[halil]

CHRONOLOGY
1960 Cyprus granted independence from the UK, guaranteed by the UK, Greece and Turkey.
1963 Constitutional order breaks down, and Turkish Cypriots withdraw from or are scared out of government,
never to return. Greek Cypriot attacks on Turkish Cypriots trigger intercommunal violence.
1964 UN deploys peacekeepers to protect Turkish Cypriots and head off Turkish invasion.
1974 After Athens-inspired coup in Cyprus in pursuit of enosis (union) with Greece, Turkish troops invade.Europe and the U.S. impose political and military sanctions against Turkey.

1977 First High-Level Agreement between Cyprus President Archbishop Makarios III and Turkish leader Rauf
Denktash lays out basis for bicommunal, bizonal and federal solution.

1983 September: collapse of peace effort by UN Secretary-General Perez de Cuellar.
November: Turkish Cypriots unilaterally declare independence as Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

1992-1993 Rise and fall of UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali’s “set of ideas”.

2003 February: Hardliner Tassos Papadopoulos elected Greek Cypriot president.
December: After advances by pro-solution Turkish Cypriot parties in election, Mehmet Ali Talat’s Republican
Turkish Party forms new government and, with support of pro-solution government in Turkey,
becomes negotiator for a settlement.

2004 24 April: Six years in the making, settlement plan sponsored by UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan submitted
to twin referendums. Accepted by 65 per cent of Turkish Cypriots, rejected by 76 per cent of Greek Cypriots.

1 May: Cyprus enters EU as a divided island.

2005 April: Talat elected Turkish Cypriot president. Veteran hardliner Rauf Denktash steps down as Turkish
Cypriot leader.

2006 8 July Agreement between Papadopoulos and Talat begins new UN-mediated contacts on a settlement,
which soon stall.

2008 17 February: Candidates promising compromise lead Greek Cypriot presidential elections, won by
Demetris Christofias of the nominally communist AKEL party.

21 March: First meeting between Christofias and Talat inaugurates new peace talks.

23 May: Christofias and Talat announce agreement that the reunified federation will have two constituent
states and a single international identity.

3 September: Christofias and Talat start first round of negotiations, meet 40 times over eleven months.

2009 10 September: Second round of UN-facilitated negotiations starts.

December: EU heads of state and government (European Council) to review Turkey’s implementation of the
2005 Additional Protocol to the Customs Union committing it to open ports to Greek Cypriot shipping and
aviation.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

George, I don't agree with the settlers staying and I don't agree with the troops staying for 10 years. Don't you dare speak on my behalf. You cannot just legalise the illegal criminal acts over a passage of time. This is Turkeys game and unfortunately she has soft people like you playing along with her actions.

Settlers came illegally, they have to go. In the UK the deport illegal immigrants whether they have family there or not, they are ILLEGAL and thats thats that.

Troops to stay! What? Are you F mad, it is because of them we have this shit now, no way, if the TCs want to intergrate in a normal society then they don't need those troops. With troops on the ground Turkey would be open to do to the GCs what she did in '74 all over again, she cannot be trusted on anything, infact I wouldn't even trust any signed solution she may sign today.

Who are you to give away 20% of our country to invaders and be happy with it as a compromise, we are giving away nothing, the country is one, they can live in it with us or can go back to mongolia, they were never invited here, they came by force and killed, murdered and raped tens of thousands of your fellow country men and women and don't you forget that.

So when you want to speak about giving the country away give them your arse, not mine! Katalaves!

Then my freind we will continue to live in partition. By the way who is giving away 20% of the country that is the proportion TC's owned before he war so why are athey not entitled to 20%. We are going to be a united country the difference is 20% of the country will be administered by TC's and 80% by GC's.

As for Turkey being allowed to stay for 10 years. I'm not suggesting they keep 40,000 troops here. If you had read my post at the start of my conversation with VP I stated 1000 troops no more no less.

You are what I call a Malaka. We have listened to people like yyou since 74 where has it got us. No where Turkey is still here the settlers continue to arrive and nothing is done. The Island belongs to all Cypriots wether you like it or not so no compromise no solution what cant you understand.

We have so many fu@ing idiots on both sides. How can we build trust when we wont give it a chance.

And you my dear friend is what I would call a cock sucker, go give the country to your mates, the idiots are those that have defeatists attitudes like you who wnat to 'Compromise' yeah right! We compromise the country and they shit all over us.

Bravo sou malaka of the 10th degree na pas na gamithis.

Se where has your attitude got us no where. You know fully well that turkey will not just hand Cyprus back to us no matter what the world says and does. Another 20 years their will more settlers in the north than GC's in the south. If we let it get to that point we will never get anything back will that make you happy.

Again why am I handing my country to the turks as I said they had 20% of the land before 74 so why are they not entitled to 20%. So I tell you what why dont go and suck sampsons cock because it is because of people like you that we are in the situation now. Sucking Greeces cock wanting enosis. No thanks I wanted Cyprus for the Cypriots.

Malak akouse me, I will give you an akin to what you are asking of the GC nation.

I will come you your house, shoot your son, fuck your wife and daugther take over the house and then, oh yes I will compromise and let you rent one of the rooms back. Thats what you are offering.

Well koumbare, I already told you what to do, if you like the Turkish cock that much you only have to go north.

The TCs own 20% of the land mass, this does not give them 37% of the island and 50% power sharing does, you moron.
They will accept nothing less and the more of the likes of you to kiss their arses the harder it will be for the GCs to get their country back.

Now you tell me, if you accept to happen to you what I said above I will go along with whatever you want.

Tourkospore.

If they dont accept 20% then no agreement. I'm not selling out. I hate Turkey as much as you but if we dont agree to BBF then nothing will happen.

Now with regards to your comments they are bang out of order. I never insulted your family why be so personal.

George, the comments were not directed to your family file. I was trying to make you understand what it was that you were saying by agreeing all these compromises.

I take them back, it was just an example you understand.

Not only have we been hard done by, they are expecting all the compromises from us.

Anyway, you comments earlier clarified your position, thanks and apologies.

I apprecaite your comments above B25. I accept I mist intrepreted your comments and thank for clarifying

[barouti]

Lets get it straight to so everyone understands. I hate Turkey as much as any other GC. They have destroyed my country and brain washed the TC.

They murdered and rape our people. I want them out of Cyprus and never to return. So understand what I say I dont want Greece or Turkey to have any say in Cyprus. All I have suggested is we let the Turkish cypriots govern 20% of the Island we do the rest. A federal Govemnet with one citizenship. Exactly what Christofia signed up to.

Now can you tell me how I have sold out?

You need to quote Viewpoint and clarify with him in regards to the above.

This is what he wrote:

You are the minority in the south...I am the majority in the north now work it out.

He obviously thinks you see things his way.

I suggested allowing Turshish army to stay for 10 years so TC's have that sfeguard after that they piss of and never return.

Any solution should mean the immediate withdrawal of the Turkish occupation army. To give them any timeframe will mean they will create another situation for an excuse to remain indefinitely. They know once they leave it'll take hell and high water for them to come back. To allow the Turkish army to remain will mean they will have a big say in Cypriot affairs.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Barouti I see where you are coming from mate but if we dont take a bold step then I dont believe will get anything back from Turkey.

I'm just trying to find a way where we can rid ourselves of Turkey.