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[YFred]

I am really looking forward to this coordinators arrival, and the behaviour of the extreme Cypriots when he does not say what they would like to hear.
As they would say in UK parliament "hear hear"

You have have all the co-ordinators, intermediatries, brokers, traitors you like, will not make one iota of difference. You are in the wrong and it has been proven time and time again.

The good people of the country will not allow some corrupt bootleg criminals get away with anything. EU co-ordinator, give me a break, another bloody spike in the wheel. You refuse to abide by EU primary law, human rights and what not and you need some pompous, penshushing twerpt to 'co-ordinate'

And you think it is going to help you do you???? You are more stupid that much that you post. pft!

Is full democracy part of EU primary law? If it is how does UK get away with a non-elected upper chamber and a non elected head of state?
Was the Social Chapter about Workers rights part of the so called EU law and why was UK allowed to opt out under the conservative Government.
Is human rights part of EU law and why is UK allowed to lock people up indefinitely Goantanamo style without charge.
I think people on this forum know my views on EU law and what to do with it. Either sign the peace agreement or it’s over. We have been negotiating a peace agreement for 35 years and we haven’t moved an inch. I think the harsh realities after December will hit the Cypriot very badly.

Nothing will happen in December, there will be no agreement, Turkey will not be bashed/penalised or anything else for not extending the customs union agreement to Cyprus and her EU report will be deffered because no one has the balls to stand up to her and say so.

So I won't hold my breath for this december or any december, it aint happening.

We agree but what about the rest of the points I have made.

[B25]

Yfred, your other points are totally irrelevant to the Cyprus problem.

All countries had to all in line with the EU framework and principles as they are written. You do not want to do that as you wish to impose racist and discriminatory rules of your own choosing. You also expect the EU and the international community to accept these as the norm, dream on.

Other items of legislation coming AFTER you have joined the club and adhere to its basic priciples if for each country to determine.

Sorry you have no argument here.

Like I said the imposition of yet another meddler will just serve to muddy the waters further.

[Get Real!]

Is “B25” Pyro by any chance?

[YFred]

Yfred, your other points are totally irrelevant to the Cyprus problem.

All countries had to all in line with the EU framework and principles as they are written. You do not want to do that as you wish to impose racist and discriminatory rules of your own choosing. You also expect the EU and the international community to accept these as the norm, dream on.

Other items of legislation coming AFTER you have joined the club and adhere to its basic priciples if for each country to determine.

Sorry you have no argument here.

Like I said the imposition of yet another meddler will just serve to muddy the waters further.

You have missed the whole point. UK picks and chooses which bits of the EU law to implement and ignores all other and yet suffer no consequences. Why can we not do the same in Cyprus so we can have a peaceful coexistence for once and for all?
EU will be accomodating believe me.

[wallace]

George we TCs are preapred to compromise on the settlers issue but you cannot expect to ask people to go back to Turkey if they have lived here most of their lives...for arguements sake 2000 would be acceptable to me. But if there is no soluiton then I am not against them working and living here in the TRNC obtaining citizenship after a number of years. We cannotput everything on hold for a solution or that would be holding us to randsome, life goes on and we to need workers in all walks of life...there is easily a population of 500.000 in the TRNC today and this is necessary to keep the country functioning.

Why 20%

I would compromise even further on the troops issue as I know it is a concern for GCs and ask that the whole island be demilitirized but am unable to let of the guarantee as a just in case policy.

The safeguards and guarantees are not a one way street because we have plenty of fanatics on this side as well thats why I do not want to leave any open doors that can be used by either side to upset or derail a new start.

VP I stated 2000 because I agree some of the settlers have grown up and married TC. I have no problem with these settlers. But the stance of your Goverment is not helping a solution. I hope this is all a front and our leaders have been brave to actully have the balls todo what is needed.

I mentioned 20% because that's what the proportion was before the war. With regards to Guarantee's I cant accept a solution where Turkey permenetly have that over our nation.

I believe 10 years is fair by then we would have intergrated in the EU proper. The first Gerneration would then be just leaving school where Greek and Turkish will be taught. Do not listen to some of the GC's that state Greek must be the only language.

After 10 years our police forces would be intergrated and our national army would also be one where Greek and Turkish serve together. Numbers would be equal say 5000 Tc's and 5000 GC's No advantage to either side.

George you are a breath of fresh air but unfortunately for us you are a very small minority and will be attacked by the same GCs that will continue with their negative intrangience and ensure Cyprus stays divided forever.

And he will stay a very small minority. We're not selling Cyprus of! Settlers can not stay.....all of them will have to leave. You're committing a war crime by bringing them here. Just read the Geneva Convention and all the UN resolutions you've got against you asshole! The army has to leave too. You plonkers come on this forum threatening and trying to scare the native people of this island with your barbarian tactics. I wont talk for others but I've got nothing to loose anymore......you bastards took it away from me in 74! So I'm not willing to negotiate anything with you which in matter of fact is mine anyway. Now fuck off and take the ones like George boy with you also

[bill cobbett]

George we TCs are preapred to compromise on the settlers issue but you cannot expect to ask people to go back to Turkey if they have lived here most of their lives...for arguements sake 2000 would be acceptable to me. But if there is no soluiton then I am not against them working and living here in the TRNC obtaining citizenship after a number of years. We cannotput everything on hold for a solution or that would be holding us to randsome, life goes on and we to need workers in all walks of life...there is easily a population of 500.000 in the TRNC today and this is necessary to keep the country functioning.

Why 20%

I would compromise even further on the troops issue as I know it is a concern for GCs and ask that the whole island be demilitirized but am unable to let of the guarantee as a just in case policy.

The safeguards and guarantees are not a one way street because we have plenty of fanatics on this side as well thats why I do not want to leave any open doors that can be used by either side to upset or derail a new start.

VP I stated 2000 because I agree some of the settlers have grown up and married TC. I have no problem with these settlers. But the stance of your Goverment is not helping a solution. I hope this is all a front and our leaders have been brave to actully have the balls todo what is needed.

I mentioned 20% because that's what the proportion was before the war. With regards to Guarantee's I cant accept a solution where Turkey permenetly have that over our nation.

I believe 10 years is fair by then we would have intergrated in the EU proper. The first Gerneration would then be just leaving school where Greek and Turkish will be taught. Do not listen to some of the GC's that state Greek must be the only language.

After 10 years our police forces would be intergrated and our national army would also be one where Greek and Turkish serve together. Numbers would be equal say 5000 Tc's and 5000 GC's No advantage to either side.

George you are a breath of fresh air but unfortunately for us you are a very small minority and will be attacked by the same GCs that will continue with their negative intrangience and ensure Cyprus stays divided forever.

And he will stay a very small minority. We're not selling Cyprus of! Settlers can not stay.....all of them will have to leave. You're committing a war crime by bringing them here. Just read the Geneva Convention and all the UN resolutions you've got against you asshole! The army has to leave too. You plonkers come on this forum threatening and trying to scare the native people of this island with your barbarian tactics. I wont talk for others but I've got nothing to loose anymore......you bastards took it away from me in 74! So I'm not willing to negotiate anything with you which in matter of fact is mine anyway. Now fuck off and take the ones like George boy with you also

Er ... Leaving aside the naughty language W, you, in general terms, talk for me mate cos there can never, ever be any compromise with the Rule of Law.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

George, I don't agree with the settlers staying and I don't agree with the troops staying for 10 years. Don't you dare speak on my behalf. You cannot just legalise the illegal criminal acts over a passage of time. This is Turkeys game and unfortunately she has soft people like you playing along with her actions.

Settlers came illegally, they have to go. In the UK the deport illegal immigrants whether they have family there or not, they are ILLEGAL and thats thats that.

Troops to stay! What? Are you F mad, it is because of them we have this shit now, no way, if the TCs want to intergrate in a normal society then they don't need those troops. With troops on the ground Turkey would be open to do to the GCs what she did in '74 all over again, she cannot be trusted on anything, infact I wouldn't even trust any signed solution she may sign today.

Who are you to give away 20% of our country to invaders and be happy with it as a compromise, we are giving away nothing, the country is one, they can live in it with us or can go back to mongolia, they were never invited here, they came by force and killed, murdered and raped tens of thousands of your fellow country men and women and don't you forget that.

So when you want to speak about giving the country away give them your arse, not mine! Katalaves!

Then my freind we will continue to live in partition. By the way who is giving away 20% of the country that is the proportion TC's owned before the war so why are athey not entitled to 20%. We are going to be a united country the difference is 20% of the country will be administered by TC's and 80% by GC's.

As for Turkey being allowed to stay for 10 years. I'm not suggesting they keep 40,000 troops here. If you had read my post at the start of my conversation with VP I stated 1000 troops no more no less.

You are what I call a Malaka. We have listened to people like yyou since 74 where has it got us. No where Turkey is still here the settlers continue to arrive and nothing is done. The Island belongs to all Cypriots wether you like it or not so no compromise no solution what cant you understand.

We have so many fu@king idiots on both sides. How can we build trust when we wont give it a chance.

[Viewpoint]

With mindeset like this we have no chance...everyone should forget it, shake hands no no need to even do that and walk away challenging their energies into other areas, the world will only then realize there is no solution that both sides can commit to because the chasm is just to wide to bridge.

[Nikitas]

YFred wrote:

"UK picks and chooses which bits of the EU law to implement and ignores all other and yet suffer no consequences. "

NOT SO! No Eu nation can pick and choose which EU regulations and directives it implements. Any deviation means prosecution at the EU court and fines. heavy fines that run into millions of Euro per day. What powerful nations do is they press to have EU rules molded to their needs, which is different to saying that they violate laws at will.

Cyprus cannot pick and choose EU rules. If everyone did this then there would be no EU. Already Cyprus is facing fines because of its failure to embody regulations like Natura 2000 and power generation directives in its local laws.

It is obvious that some people are harboring all kinds of mistaken notions about how the EU works. It is not a bazaar.

[Viewpoint]

Then the EU has complicated matters even further if the directives give the GCs the upperhand TCs will never agree to it..is that clear enough?