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[Viewpoint]

Derogrations are vital and can be temporary if deemed unnecessary by the sides whom it protects or benefits. The only area that cannot be changed would be the political power structure, unless we know 100% that it will not change and allow the Gcs to manipulate it using their numerical advanatge we will reject any new plan. We have to have a guaranteed and effective say in our own future we will not surrender this into the hands of the GCs.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

No dead end mate. You will have no choice in the end but to compromise. You cant have it all your own way.

All our way? we dont expect that but we will not be forced into anything we do not want or will give the GCs the upper hand to do as they wish pushing us to one side.

There you go again VP with your brain washed mentality. All we want is fair solution where we dont have a Turkey that has a stranglehold on the island but you are too blind to see that.

What do you think we are going to do to you? Commit genocide? We are in the EU. Are they really going to allow a member state commit crimes against its own citizens. Come on VP wake up before its to late and the settlers steal Cyprus from you.

George why are you against measures that will not allow you to push us to one side? if you have no intention of doing so why are you so anti precautionary measures? These objections give us a clear indicition that you have hidden agendas to steam roll over us and take control of the whole island both physically and politically.

The settlers issue is a lost case for you Gc and your continous threat is like water off a ducks back we have accepted them as the new generation TCs, we arrived 450 years ago and the 35 years ago so peedling this in the hope of scaring us to capitulate is just not gonna happen. 500.000 and increasing in 30 years times with a populaiton of over 1 million you will be begging for division.

I am in favour of fair solution. Why do the settlers mean so much to you? I dont get it. I would'nt want a Cyprus full of Greeks from Greece. They are not the same as us Greek Cypriots. My best mate a TC has more in common with me that the Greeks from Greece. I want a Cyprus for Cypriots (Turkish, Greek, Maronite, Armenian) not people from Turkey or Greece.

If you were to reduce your state to 20% and get rid of the settlers that settled here after 2000. I would then be prepared to accept a soloution where Turkey would be permitted to keep her troop in Cyprus for 10 years after thate they leave and never come back.

It all about give and take mate. We GC's are prepared to compromise. Not all of us are fanatics.

[wallace]

Hypothetically speaking, if the TRNC were a recognised state applying for EU membership it would accept certain principles and rules. Those exact same principles and rules are what it has to accept now, inorder to make the settlement workable in the EU and valid.

It is simple really, no complex mathematics needed.

But no one asked if we wanted ot be in the EU...we are not ready and need transition periods which will include derrogrations, safeguards and guarantees.

Did any other EU applicant get any derrogations? Why should the turks and you get any?? Follow the rules or.... ..

Malta.

Really? What derrogations was that? By the way.....is Malta occopied by the turks?

Go do your own research and learn.

I don't have to search plonker! I have learnt everything I needed to learn! People like you taught me Maybe you should start opening some books and do a little research. I do not life in the middleages like you do. As I said before....I life in a multicultural country were people know how to life together in peace! You plonkers just want to have privileges over the native citizens of the country like you did in 1571! It's not going to happen. Why would you have more say over a majority? A democratic one man one vote system. Have your equal rights.......if you don't like it....just piss off!

[Nikitas]

VP said:

"The only area that cannot be changed would be the political power structure, "

This has nothing to do with the EU. What conerns the EU is that there will be no challenges based on violations of human rights and EU rights- namely the rights of establishment, residence and ownership of property. Property settlement is not a solution, because after all is done and settled a GC might want to buy land in the north and a TC land in the south. There can be a temporary limit to such transactions, but not a permanent one.

Derogations on fundamental EU matters, like accepting the existence of a common market and the freedom of movement of people, goods and services, essentially means you reject the EU. I doubt that there can be even temporary derogations on such fundamentals, but these do not involve the settlement of the Cyprus issue.

[Viewpoint]

George we TCs are preapred to compromise on the settlers issue but you cannot expect to ask people to go back to Turkey if they have lived here most of their lives...for arguements sake 2000 would be acceptable to me. But if there is no soluiton then I am not against them working and living here in the TRNC obtaining citizenship after a number of years. We cannotput everything on hold for a solution or that would be holding us to randsome, life goes on and we to need workers in all walks of life...there is easily a population of 500.000 in the TRNC today and this is necessary to keep the country functioning.

Why 20%

I would compromise even further on the troops issue as I know it is a concern for GCs and ask that the whole island be demilitirized but am unable to let of the guarantee as a just in case policy.

The safeguards and guarantees are not a one way street because we have plenty of fanatics on this side as well thats why I do not want to leave any open doors that can be used by either side to upset or derail a new start.

[Oracle]

No dead end mate. You will have no choice in the end but to compromise. You cant have it all your own way.

All our way? we dont expect that but we will not be forced into anything we do not want or will give the GCs the upper hand to do as they wish pushing us to one side.

There you go again VP with your brain washed mentality. All we want is fair solution where we dont have a Turkey that has a stranglehold on the island but you are too blind to see that.

What do you think we are going to do to you? Commit genocide? We are in the EU. Are they really going to allow a member state commit crimes against its own citizens. Come on VP wake up before its to late and the settlers steal Cyprus from you.

George why are you against measures that will not allow you to push us to one side? if you have no intention of doing so why are you so anti precautionary measures? These objections give us a clear indicition that you have hidden agendas to steam roll over us and take control of the whole island both physically and politically.

The settlers issue is a lost case for you Gc and your continous threat is like water off a ducks back we have accepted them as the new generation TCs, we arrived 450 years ago and the 35 years ago so peedling this in the hope of scaring us to capitulate is just not gonna happen. 500.000 and increasing in 30 years times with a populaiton of over 1 million you will be begging for division.

I am in favour of fair solution. Why do the settlers mean so much to you? I dont get it. I would'nt want a Cyprus full of Greeks from Greece. They are not the same as us Greek Cypriots. My best mate a TC has more in common with me that the Greeks from Greece. I want a Cyprus for Cypriots (Turkish, Greek, Maronite, Armenian) not people from Turkey or Greece.

If you were to reduce your state to 20% and get rid of the settlers that settled here after 2000. I would then be prepared to accept a soloution where Turkey would be permitted to keep her troop in Cyprus for 10 years after thate they leave and never come back.

It all about give and take mate. We GC's are prepared to compromise. Not all of us are fanatics.

How are you going to choose whose Human Rights you are going to "compromise"?

Either we regain a completely democratic solution or we behave like the Turks and remove the Human Rights of some members of the population.
It's unethical and impractical for long-term stability to "compromise" against a whole Cyprus under a fair and just democracy.

[Viewpoint]

Hypothetically speaking, if the TRNC were a recognised state applying for EU membership it would accept certain principles and rules. Those exact same principles and rules are what it has to accept now, inorder to make the settlement workable in the EU and valid.

It is simple really, no complex mathematics needed.

But no one asked if we wanted ot be in the EU...we are not ready and need transition periods which will include derrogrations, safeguards and guarantees.

Did any other EU applicant get any derrogations? Why should the turks and you get any?? Follow the rules or.... ..

Malta.

Really? What derrogations was that? By the way.....is Malta occopied by the turks?

Go do your own research and learn.

I don't have to search plonker! I have learnt everything I needed to learn! People like you taught me Maybe you should start opening some books and do a little research. I do not life in the middleages like you do. As I said before....I life in a multicultural country were people know how to life together in peace! You plonkers just want to have privileges over the native citizens of the country like you did in 1571! It's not going to happen. Why would you have more say over a majority? A democratic one man one vote system. Have your equal rights.......if you don't like it....just piss off!

You piss off you bastard.....two can play at that game so refrain from lowering the tone or else believe me I can give much worse than you..Your above statement reveals a great deal about your mindset and it aint good try harder to understand the other side and compromise or else you will continue to show exactly how ignorant you really are.

[Viewpoint]

VP said:

"The only area that cannot be changed would be the political power structure, "

This has nothing to do with the EU. What conerns the EU is that there will be no challenges based on violations of human rights and EU rights- namely the rights of establishment, residence and ownership of property. Property settlement is not a solution, because after all is done and settled a GC might want to buy land in the north and a TC land in the south. There can be a temporary limit to such transactions, but not a permanent one.

Derogations on fundamental EU matters, like accepting the existence of a common market and the freedom of movement of people, goods and services, essentially means you reject the EU. I doubt that there can be even temporary derogations on such fundamentals, but these do not involve the settlement of the Cyprus issue.

I dont see a problem on the majority of Eu issues which is a chapter i think our 2 leaders have converged on the most, the biggest areas of concern for Tcs are security Bizonal Bicommunal states and political balance.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

No dead end mate. You will have no choice in the end but to compromise. You cant have it all your own way.

All our way? we dont expect that but we will not be forced into anything we do not want or will give the GCs the upper hand to do as they wish pushing us to one side.

There you go again VP with your brain washed mentality. All we want is fair solution where we dont have a Turkey that has a stranglehold on the island but you are too blind to see that.

What do you think we are going to do to you? Commit genocide? We are in the EU. Are they really going to allow a member state commit crimes against its own citizens. Come on VP wake up before its to late and the settlers steal Cyprus from you.

George why are you against measures that will not allow you to push us to one side? if you have no intention of doing so why are you so anti precautionary measures? These objections give us a clear indicition that you have hidden agendas to steam roll over us and take control of the whole island both physically and politically.

The settlers issue is a lost case for you Gc and your continous threat is like water off a ducks back we have accepted them as the new generation TCs, we arrived 450 years ago and the 35 years ago so peedling this in the hope of scaring us to capitulate is just not gonna happen. 500.000 and increasing in 30 years times with a populaiton of over 1 million you will be begging for division.

I am in favour of fair solution. Why do the settlers mean so much to you? I dont get it. I would'nt want a Cyprus full of Greeks from Greece. They are not the same as us Greek Cypriots. My best mate a TC has more in common with me that the Greeks from Greece. I want a Cyprus for Cypriots (Turkish, Greek, Maronite, Armenian) not people from Turkey or Greece.

If you were to reduce your state to 20% and get rid of the settlers that settled here after 2000. I would then be prepared to accept a soloution where Turkey would be permitted to keep her troop in Cyprus for 10 years after thate they leave and never come back.

It all about give and take mate. We GC's are prepared to compromise. Not all of us are fanatics.

How are you going to choose whose Human Rights you are going to "compromise"?

Either we regain a completely democratic solution or we behave like the Turks and remove the Human Rights of some members of the population.
It's unethical and impractical for long-term stability to "compromise" against a whole Cyprus under a fair and just democracy.

Oracle thats not going to happen you have to accept a compromised solution. Who knows maybe in 50 years we will have referenem in Cyprus where we vote on a new constitution where we go with the one person one vote system but right now their is no trust on either side. We have to accept a solution where some people will not be happy.

You cant be that naive to believe everything will go back to how it was. We are where we are because our parents generation behaved in such a terible way. I'm on about people from both sides of the divide (TMT EOKA)

I know both people can live together. In the UK many of my best friends are Turkish Cypriot. We are the same the only difference is our religion. We think the same and we have the same family values.

It going to take time in Cyprus to get where we are in the UK but we can get their but we must both make sacrifises along the way.

[Oracle]

No dead end mate. You will have no choice in the end but to compromise. You cant have it all your own way.

All our way? we dont expect that but we will not be forced into anything we do not want or will give the GCs the upper hand to do as they wish pushing us to one side.

There you go again VP with your brain washed mentality. All we want is fair solution where we dont have a Turkey that has a stranglehold on the island but you are too blind to see that.

What do you think we are going to do to you? Commit genocide? We are in the EU. Are they really going to allow a member state commit crimes against its own citizens. Come on VP wake up before its to late and the settlers steal Cyprus from you.

George why are you against measures that will not allow you to push us to one side? if you have no intention of doing so why are you so anti precautionary measures? These objections give us a clear indicition that you have hidden agendas to steam roll over us and take control of the whole island both physically and politically.

The settlers issue is a lost case for you Gc and your continous threat is like water off a ducks back we have accepted them as the new generation TCs, we arrived 450 years ago and the 35 years ago so peedling this in the hope of scaring us to capitulate is just not gonna happen. 500.000 and increasing in 30 years times with a populaiton of over 1 million you will be begging for division.

I am in favour of fair solution. Why do the settlers mean so much to you? I dont get it. I would'nt want a Cyprus full of Greeks from Greece. They are not the same as us Greek Cypriots. My best mate a TC has more in common with me that the Greeks from Greece. I want a Cyprus for Cypriots (Turkish, Greek, Maronite, Armenian) not people from Turkey or Greece.

If you were to reduce your state to 20% and get rid of the settlers that settled here after 2000. I would then be prepared to accept a soloution where Turkey would be permitted to keep her troop in Cyprus for 10 years after thate they leave and never come back.

It all about give and take mate. We GC's are prepared to compromise. Not all of us are fanatics.

How are you going to choose whose Human Rights you are going to "compromise"?

Either we regain a completely democratic solution or we behave like the Turks and remove the Human Rights of some members of the population.
It's unethical and impractical for long-term stability to "compromise" against a whole Cyprus under a fair and just democracy.

Oracle thats not going to happen you have to accept a compromised solution. Who knows maybe in 50 years we will have referenem in Cyprus where we vote on a new constitution where we go with the one person one vote system but right now their is no trust on either side. We have to accept a solution where some people will not be happy.

You cant be that naive to believe everything will go back to how it was. We are where we are because our parents generation behaved in such a terible way. I'm on about people from both sides of the divide (TMT EOKA)

I know both people can live together. In the UK many of my best friends are Turkish Cypriot. We are the same the only difference is our religion. We think the same and we have the same family values.

It going to take time in Cyprus to get where we are in the UK but we can get their but we must both make sacrifises along the way.

But you didn't say HOW you are going to choose whose Human Rights you are going to compromise?

And, how are you going to impose removing these Human rights from some citizens?

I'm afraid this "compromise" scheme is too similar to what the Turks have done and which we are trying to reverse i.e. called seeking a solution not a further "compromise of Human Rights"!