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[Kikapu]

Russia got what they wanted from Turkey with a signed agreement to build a gas pipeline to Europe partly passing through Turkish waters. The Russians will pay the Turks some transiting fee per mile that it goes through Turkey's waters I would imagine, but what Russia did in essence, is to put Ukraine on notice, that unless they start acting more reasonable than they have been before by not paying for the Russian Gas at market rate or even stealing some of it along the way to Europe, is to make Turkey a potential alternative route to Ukraine’s. Trust me, Ukraine will be very cooperative from now on to make income from the Russians, which will leave very little gas to go through Turkey, and if Ukraine does not behave, then Turkey will make more money.

Where Turkey has shot herself in the foot by agreeing to this deal with Russia, her own pipeline across Turkey will now be put on hold by the west, because there isn't enough gas to support in building a third pipeline. Basically, Russia will control ALL the Gas going to Europe either via Ukraine or via Turkey, or via both Ukraine and Turkey. If any one of the two transiting countries make a stink about anything what Russia is doing or not doing, what ever the case may be, the Russians will cut them off at the knees, and with the pipeline third pipeline not built across Turkey’s land, Turkey's importance to the EU on the energy front has significantly diminished with the deal she had signed with Russia. Not even a little “thank you” from the Russians for the sweetest deal they have ever signed in order to control of all the Gas going from the Middle East to Europe by at least giving some tiny bit of recognition to the “trnc”.! What ungrateful bastards.!

You missed what all the critics of just ONE or two pipes are saying

The latest I read a while back, Zan, was that Azerbaijan had sold most of her gas to the Russians, therefore there is very little gas left to go through any potential third pipe across Turkey. Now, there is more Gas in Iran, but the Iranians are much closer to the Russians as they are to the west, so if and when the Iranian Gas is allowed to flow to Europe, I'm almost certain that Russia will be able to send all the gas Europe needs and more just through the two pipes, Ukraine and Turkey. The point is, Turkey would have had lot of leverage with the EU if the pipeline was built on her land, but now after the Russian agreement, even if the third pipe is built, then where would the gas come from when Turkey's closes friend, Azerbaijan has sold most of her gas to the Russians already.! The west is not going to spend Billions of Dollars on a third pipeline across Turkey if there isn’t enough gas to flow through it. It would not make any business sense at al to do so.!

Did you see what happened to europe when the gas was restricted last time......They don't want anybody to have that monopoly again.....It is NOT all about profits.

What happened last time, was not the problem with the supplier (Russia). No, the problem was with the transiting country (Ukraine). So now, Russia is going to have a competitor to Ukraine, Turkey. The Russians will play off Turkey against Ukraine and visa versa. Don't you see what Turkey gave away and what Russia took. The Russians killed more than few birds with one stone by signing that deal with Turkey. For the life of me, I don't know what the hell the Turks were thinking by signing that deal. What, it was going to show the Americans that if the Yanks did not play ball with the Turks that they have an alternative to go elsewhere.?? And what happened last week.? Obama warmed relationships with the Russians over the missile defence system for Europe by scrapping it. Now, who do you think the Russians going to court more now, the west for all they got, or Turkey who has very little in what they want, and what they had of much value, is where the second pipeline will go through Turkish waters to Europe.!

[zan]

Russia got what they wanted from Turkey with a signed agreement to build a gas pipeline to Europe partly passing through Turkish waters. The Russians will pay the Turks some transiting fee per mile that it goes through Turkey's waters I would imagine, but what Russia did in essence, is to put Ukraine on notice, that unless they start acting more reasonable than they have been before by not paying for the Russian Gas at market rate or even stealing some of it along the way to Europe, is to make Turkey a potential alternative route to Ukraine’s. Trust me, Ukraine will be very cooperative from now on to make income from the Russians, which will leave very little gas to go through Turkey, and if Ukraine does not behave, then Turkey will make more money.

Where Turkey has shot herself in the foot by agreeing to this deal with Russia, her own pipeline across Turkey will now be put on hold by the west, because there isn't enough gas to support in building a third pipeline. Basically, Russia will control ALL the Gas going to Europe either via Ukraine or via Turkey, or via both Ukraine and Turkey. If any one of the two transiting countries make a stink about anything what Russia is doing or not doing, what ever the case may be, the Russians will cut them off at the knees, and with the pipeline third pipeline not built across Turkey’s land, Turkey's importance to the EU on the energy front has significantly diminished with the deal she had signed with Russia. Not even a little “thank you” from the Russians for the sweetest deal they have ever signed in order to control of all the Gas going from the Middle East to Europe by at least giving some tiny bit of recognition to the “trnc”.! What ungrateful bastards.!

You missed what all the critics of just ONE or two pipes are saying

The latest I read a while back, Zan, was that Azerbaijan had sold most of her gas to the Russians, therefore there is very little gas left to go through any potential third pipe across Turkey. Now, there is more Gas in Iran, but the Iranians are much closer to the Russians as they are to the west, so if and when the Iranian Gas is allowed to flow to Europe, I'm almost certain that Russia will be able to send all the gas Europe needs and more just through the two pipes, Ukraine and Turkey. The point is, Turkey would have had lot of leverage with the EU if the pipeline was built on her land, but now after the Russian agreement, even if the third pipe is built, then where would the gas come from when Turkey's closes friend, Azerbaijan has sold most of her gas to the Russians already.! The west is not going to spend Billions of Dollars on a third pipeline across Turkey if there isn’t enough gas to flow through it. It would not make any business sense at al to do so.!

Did you see what happened to europe when the gas was restricted last time......They don't want anybody to have that monopoly again.....It is NOT all about profits.

What happened last time, was not the problem with the supplier (Russia). No, the problem was with the transiting country (Ukraine). So now, Russia is going to have a competitor to Ukraine, Turkey. The Russians will play off Turkey against Ukraine and visa versa. Don't you see what Turkey gave away and what Russia took. The Russians killed more than few birds with one stone by signing that deal with Turkey. For the life of me, I don't know what the hell the Turks were thinking by signing that deal. What, it was going to show the Americans that if the Yanks did not play ball with the Turks that they have an alternative to go elsewhere.?? And what happened last week.? Obama warmed relationships with the Russians over the missile defence system for Europe by scrapping it. Now, who do you think the Russians going to court more now, the west for all they got, or Turkey who has very little in what they want, and what they had of much value, is where the second pipeline will go through Turkish waters to Europe.!

Try cementing themselves to the EU......Come on Kiks....Think out of the box.

[insan]

Main Russian News Website, front page. (www.lenta.ru)



there is no way i am translating this: used an online translator...figure out yourself.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Russia does not recognize the independence of Northern Cyprus in exchange for Turkish recognition of the independence of Abkhazia, Interfax news agency reported. "We are not inclined to some exchanges on the logic you - I, I - you. This is completely different stories. Torg is misplaced," - said the Minister.
This kind of exchanges Lavrov asked one of the students of the Abkhaz State University, where the Minister was made on October 2. "Every situation should be viewed in its historical context," - Lavrov explained his position.

In his speech, Lavrov also commented on the statement by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who promised to prevent the international community recognizing the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. "If our partners in the United States intends to oppose the recognition of Abkhazia, we will resist attempts to impose on sovereign States's opinions" - quoted Lavrov RIA Novosti.

Of Northern Cyprus (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) - a state separate from Cyprus in 1983 and is still not recognized by any state except Turkey. Most of the population of Northern Cyprus (total about 300 thousand people) are the Turks.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia, whose independence Russia recognized in August 2008, is also not recognized by the international community. Besides Russia, the independence of the republics, recognized only by Nicaragua and Venezuela.

“Russia won’t bargain Abkhazia for North Cyprus” – Lavrov
permalinke-mail story to a friendprint version02 October, 2009, 18:22

Russia will not enter a deal implying the recognition of Northern Cyprus in exchange for Turkey's recognition of Abkhazia says Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

“We are not inclined to enter any deals following ‘scratch my back and I'll scratch yours’ logic. These are two absolutely different stories. These are different situations from the historical, moral and humanitarian points of view. Any bargaining is out of the question here,” Sergey Lavrov said.

“Each situation should be considered in its historical context,” he added.

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http://russiatoday.ru/Politics/2009-10- ... hazia.html

[Get Real!]

Both Cyprus and Russia are predominantly “Eastern Orthodox“, so they have very close centuries-old religious ties that cannot possibly be challenged by the relatively minor Abkhasian dilemma.

[Kifeas]

Both Cyprus and Russia are predominantly “Eastern Orthodox“, so they have very close centuries-old religious ties that cannot possibly be challenged by the relatively minor Abkhasian dilemma.

I wouldn't put it down to a religious alliance. After all, Georgians are Christian Orthodox too, and so do Ukrainians, yet they are both at odds with Russia. It is more down the reciprocity of supporting acts between Russia and Cyprus (Russia defending RoC in the UN SC a few times and Cyprus on Kosovo and recently on Georgia,) but also to the personal friendship between Lavrov and Christofias, which if my memory does not deceive me dates back to their student years in Moscow. I wouldn't be so optimistic if Lavrov goes one day from the Russian Foreign Ministry.

[-mikkie2-]

just wait and see what happens when gas is found off the shores of Cyprus! EU will have more of its own gas supply. I wonder how Turkey will react then.

[-mikkie2-]

Cyprus is a major foreign investor in Russia that is worth billions. That goes some way to explaining Russian support for Cyprus.

[Raymanoff]

u heard nothing about NordStream project yet?

[Oracle]

u heard nothing about NordStream project yet?

We have, now, thanks Ray

http://www.neurope.eu/articles/94256.php

Looks like Turkey will have a lot of redundant pipelines

[YFred]

u heard nothing about NordStream project yet?

You are even crap at winding people up. Project to supply gas to 25 million house holds is hardly worth talking about. What about the other 350 million.