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[RAFAELLA]

I've been participating in this forum for about 4 months and I realised that Tcs, I won't mention Turks, don't acccept the fact that there is occupation in our country by turkish troops.
Why is it so difficult for Tcs to realise and accept that?

Efharisto

[jesus]

I think that's because everyone has ways to justify their actions. i.e. you may look at an incident and see it as bad while someone else sees it as good.

In this case the "occupation" as you state is "legal interverntion" for turks.

So as much as it is so difficult to accept that the intervention was legal for greeks, it is very normal that turks find it difficult to accept that it is an occupation.

Its as simple as that.

Would be wiser not to concentrate on "terms" . That won't get us anywhere.

[demetriou_74]

there is an occupation just ask the thousands that used to live there. who said this raf?

[gabaston]

With the collapse of the constitution, who is to say what is legal in cyprus?


The intervention of turkey in 74 was in accordance with the treaty. Its subsequent failure to restore the constitution can be said illegal.
The restoration of a failed constitution which gc and tc both agree failed their interests would have been hard to justify.

For the younger memers of this forum- Some may think that prior to the turkish intervention everything was fine and rosy for tc's - it really wasnt.
the everyday existance of a tc was not the same as a gc. tc were without doubt under dogs, and well just check the insults from achillesrevenge you will find reference of what he thinks of us. We've been subjected to similar since the 60's.

[Piratis]

I think that's because everyone has ways to justify their actions.

Thats why we have laws and principles we should follow. Otherwise everything (murders, rapes, ethnic cleansing, stealing etc) would be justified.

If you don't accept such principles, then what is the point of discussing anything? If the only thing you understand is violence and force, then I guess the only way to reply and give an answer to you is these ways.

[Piratis]

With the collapse of the constitution, who is to say what is legal in cyprus?

So what you are saying is that while there is a coup in Turkey and the constitution is not functioning as it should, that a foreign country has the right to invade and occupy Turkey?

Sorry, but it is quite sad that you got used to these lame excuses and they come out of you so naturally.

[gabaston]

in respect of a treaty sanctioning this the answer is without doubt yes.

[demetriou_74]

With the collapse of the constitution, who is to say what is legal in cyprus?


The intervention of turkey in 74 was in accordance with the treaty

which bit said that you can takr nearly 40% of cyprus, keep onto it and not begin seeking a viable solution?

[gabaston]

no bit, which bit of it said you could persue enosis or which bit said gc could ethnically clense cyprus of tc -


like i asked- what in cyprus is actually legal? - for there to be legal there must be a constitution that defines legal. there is no accepted constitution.

Implement a constitution and you will have legality, tear it up and what have you but anarchy.

[Leon]

I think a lot of people do forget that the reason Turkey invaded northern Cyprus was simply to save the Turkish-Cypriots' lives. I diagree with a lot of things that both sides have done, but why do the Greek-Cypriots protest that Turkish troops should get out of Cyprus. They're helping to keep peace amongst each other.