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[gabaston]

rafaella

can you please rephrase the question, i'm not too clear what you are asking.

[MicAtCyp]

And one of the things you fail to understand is that the occupation army is keeping you isolated from the rest of the world for more than 30 years ...

May I clarify that this occupation actually refers to keeping by force a place where 90% of the properties belong to the GCs .Hence the international isolation.The occupation would perhaps not have such consequences (if any) if the land there belonged to the TCs

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For GCs EOKA was freedom fighters and Turkish army is doing occupation and had attempted ethnic cleansing.

There is a difference bettween the words "attempted" and "did". The Turkish army DID ethnic cleansing against the GCs and it succeeded 99% in this task.

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So why do you think, they dont call army of Turkey as occupiers?

Read the reply of Turkcyp and you will understand.

[RAFAELLA]

rafaella

can you please rephrase the question, i'm not too clear what you are asking.

Gabaston, Tcs claim that the invasion was legal, they claim that the occupation and the presence of the turkish army in Cy is legal, am I right?
IF what they claim is correct THEN WHY no country has recognised the bastard child of TR, "TRNC", all those years?
IF everything was and is legal, WHY for more than 30 years Tcs are isolated and have their "state" unrecognised?
Trs & Tcs are the clever and right ones and the rest of the world is stupid and incorrect?...it can't be!

There are many UN resolutions regarding the invasion & occupation, there are many ECHR decisions, why they don't bother to take note of all these and understand the wrong doings of TR?

I believe I am clear enough.

[erolz]

Trs & Tcs are the clever and right ones and the rest of the world is stupid and incorrect?...it can't be!

Could the same not be said of GC with regard to the Annan Plan. The UN, the UK, USA, EU and all the other agencies that supported the annan plan were stupid and incorrect and the GC are the clever and right ones?

[RAFAELLA]

Trs & Tcs are the clever and right ones and the rest of the world is stupid and incorrect?...it can't be!

Could the same not be said of GC with regard to the Annan Plan. The UN, the UK, USA, EU and all the other agencies that supported the annan plan were stupid and incorrect and the GC are the clever and right ones?

You're changing the subject and you avoid to answer.
You cannot compare peanuts with zucchini.

The UN, UK, USA, EU thought the Gcs are stupid but with their votes the Gcs proved them wrong!
Since you seem to be unaware of the reasons why Gcs voted against the farce plan, enjoy reading the following:

"When we were trying to convince Turkey to allow the passage of our troops through its territory in Northern Iraq, we gave Turkey two motives: several billion dollars in the form of donations and loans and Cyprus in the form of the Annan plan."
Daniel Fried (member of the National Security Council and special advisor to President Bush), 26 June 2004

"What happened in Cyprus with the Annan plan in reality has nothing to do with the Turkish Cypriots, but the main issue was Turkey's accession into the European Union and the pseudo-state was used as pawn".
Eser Karakas, Professor at the Bahcesehir University in Turkey, as quoted in Haravgi (Greek Cypriot) newspaper, 27 October 2004

"It appeared that the UN and the EU were bent on legitimising at least some of the consequences of the Turkish invasion of 1974, because the EU wanted to take the Cyprus issue off the table in order to facilitate negotiations on Turkey's accession to the EU... Greek Cypriots would not have freedom of movement in their own country. In a way, the Greek Cypriots would have been ghettoised"
Shlomo Avineri, Professor at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem and former Director-General of Israel’s foreign ministry

"The latest version of the Annan plan is a success for Turkish foreign policy and the Turkish government. With the latest form of the plan, the Turkish Cypriots gain many rights which they were unable to get even with the London and Zurich agreements [in 1959-60]. The Turkish side has also had some objections to this [latest version], but the Greek Cypriots are objecting to nearly all of it. The Annan plan in this form should be signed immediately."
Fatih Altayli in Turkish newspaper Hurriyet on the proposed Annan Plan

"We are exceedingly pleased with the press reaction to the UN Secretary General's latest draft plan for a solution. My joy stems as much from Annan's pro-Turkish stance as it does from the nature of the Greek Cypriot outcry. We never saw such a Greek Cypriot uproar during any of the previous negotiations. My view is that it is because, for the first time, we have a draft solution supporting Turkish interests to such an extent."
Hasan Ercakica in Turkish Cypriot newspaper Yeniduzen on the proposed Annan Plan

"Only a lunatic would be able to draw up the Annan plan."
Demetris Tsatsos, Professor of Constitutional Law

[Murtaza]

So why do you think, they dont call army of Turkey as occupiers?

Read the reply of Turkcyp and you will understand.

No,Micatcyp
I am curious about what greeks thinking, Why do you think, TC dont call Turkey army as occupiers?

[Turkey (( *]

rafaella

can you please rephrase the question, i'm not too clear what you are asking.

Gabaston, Tcs claim that the invasion was legal, they claim that the occupation and the presence of the turkish army in Cy is legal, am I right?
IF what they claim is correct THEN WHY no country has recognised the bastard child of TR, "TRNC", all those years?
IF everything was and is legal, WHY for more than 30 years Tcs are isolated and have their "state" unrecognised?
Trs & Tcs are the clever and right ones and the rest of the world is stupid and incorrect?...it can't be!

There are many UN resolutions regarding the invasion & occupation, there are many ECHR decisions, why they don't bother to take note of all these and understand the wrong doings of TR?

I believe I am clear enough.

Rafaella, I don't want a deep discussion on this but just an answer: how come the OIC countries are keen on starting trade and Azerbaijan starting direct flights??

[RAFAELLA]

rafaella

can you please rephrase the question, i'm not too clear what you are asking.

Gabaston, Tcs claim that the invasion was legal, they claim that the occupation and the presence of the turkish army in Cy is legal, am I right?
IF what they claim is correct THEN WHY no country has recognised the bastard child of TR, "TRNC", all those years?
IF everything was and is legal, WHY for more than 30 years Tcs are isolated and have their "state" unrecognised?
Trs & Tcs are the clever and right ones and the rest of the world is stupid and incorrect?...it can't be!

There are many UN resolutions regarding the invasion & occupation, there are many ECHR decisions, why they don't bother to take note of all these and understand the wrong doings of TR?

I believe I am clear enough.

Rafaella, I don't want a deep discussion on this but just an answer: how come the OIC countries are keen on starting trade and Azerbaijan starting direct flights??

Everybody avoids answering my guestion but I can understand why

Turkey (( *, I respect the fact that you don't want to get into a deep discussion but at least you could give an answer as my question was not complecated at all.

Anyhow, it's not a common secret that direct flights and trade cannot take place as both are illegal...there's a lot of wishfull thinkings but each and everyone of them is stuck when it has to do with International law.

[gabaston]

Rafaella

You are quite clear. now let me be clear. Should you wish any selfrespecting tc to respectfully answer your question, please ask it respectfully. If you wait for me to answer a question about your proclaimed "bastard child" you will wait a long time.

In fact the more i think of your loaded question the more insulted i feel. i suggest tc's do not respond to any more of your questions or comments until you withdraw your prejudicial question and apologise.

you twice asked for a ruling on the legitimacy of the invasion. i posted you one from the court of greece, and you didn't even have the decency to show gratitude for my efforts on your behalf.

one more thing without a constitutioin there is no legality, only assumed legality, by your side and our side, irrespective of world opinions. for instance is it illegal for Azerbaijan to recognise TC? or is it illegal for USA to recognise tc? unless we reach a settlement soon that day will come.
choose your leaders wisely, and may they for your sake take a more civil approach to tc ooops "i mean turks" than you.

[RAFAELLA]

Rafaella

You are quite clear. now let me be clear. Should you wish any selfrespecting tc to respectfully answer your question, please ask it respectfully. If you wait for me to answer a question about your proclaimed "bastard child" you will wait a long time.

In fact the more i think of your loaded question the more insulted i feel. i suggest tc's do not respond to any more of your questions or comments until you withdraw your prejudicial question and apologise.

you twice asked for a ruling on the legitimacy of the invasion. i posted you one from the court of greece, and you didn't even have the decency to show gratitude for my efforts on your behalf.

one more thing without a constitutioin there is no legality, only assumed legality, by your side and our side, irrespective of world opinions. for instance is it illegal for Azerbaijan to recognise TC? or is it illegal for USA to recognise tc? unless we reach a settlement soon that day will come.
choose your leaders wisely, and may they for your sake take a more civil approach to tc ooops "i mean turks" than you.

You want me to apologize???? …apologize????
I see no reason for me to apologize to anyone Gabaston. “TRNC” is the bastard child of Turkey.

You want me to apologize because TR stole my property, my house and does not allow me to live freely in my own country?
Or maybe you want me to apologise because "TRNC" was built on the bodies of murdered Gcs, on looted and pillaged churches, on the overturned tombstones and crushed crosses of our uncestors' graves, on the illegal sale of Gc properties etc.
These are the reasons why you want my apologies?

I will not withdraw a single letter from what I wrote. I didn’t insult anyone and if you took it personally, sorry it’s not my fault.
If you are not happy with it then ask from the moderators to ban me.

A! one more thing. You are right, we should choose our leaders wisely, just like you do! Denktash, Talat