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[YFred]

greeks will to? they are already in eu.... i really doubt turkey will get in eu but it would be a very good thing if they did join espesially being the first non christian group thast will come and try change the eu laws

No No Palio, we want her to go into EU to change to EU laws not change the EU Laws.

[insan]

In September 2000 her brothers filed a petition with the Beyoglu Magistrates’ Court for a certificate of inheritance. The Court, once again invoking the reciprocity grounds, dismissed their petition in regard to the immovable property, accepting it only for the movable assets. Polyxenis’ brothers repeatedly appealed the negative decision unsuccessfully.

Commenting on the reciprocity argument used by the Turkish side, Achilleas Demetriades said: "The Turkish argument that this should be allowed in view of a similar practice in Greece is not simply valid, because two wrongs don’t make a right."

He expressed the hope that this would not prevent the Greek Government from exercising its right under the European Convention on Human Rights of participating in the process before the ECHR, in order to assist the applicants who are Greek citizens.

http://aspectsofreality.blogspot.com/20 ... uding.html

The full story of this case.

[Hermes]

greeks will to? they are already in eu.... i really doubt turkey will get in eu but it would be a very good thing if they did join espesially being the first non christian group thast will come and try change the eu laws

No No Palio, we want her to go into EU to change to EU laws not change the EU Laws.

Something we can agree on. Turkey having to obey EU laws. That's what we all want to see. No exemptions, mind. After all, have you ever heard of a person who gets to choose what laws to obey?

[Get Real!]

Greece is in the EU???

[Oracle]

:shock: Greece is in the EU???

Well if Greece isn't, why the hell did we Enosis .... I mean join!

[Nikitas]

The case was borught under the European Charter of Human Rights, it is not directly connected to EU etc. Do not confuse the issue people.

Turkey is now between a rock and a hard place, it has to show that it abides by and applies the European Charter of Human Rights (to which she is a singatory) inorder to join the EU. Observance and application of the Charter is a precondition to joining the EU.

On the other hand there is all that valuable Greek property in choice areas of Istanbul (the Greek name of Constantinople). Tough choice for the cynics and bigots of the Turkish establishment.

[Tim Drayton]

What kind of a Program were you thinking of? Perhaps a Eurovision song contest?
Did anybody answer if Turkish Nationals can own property in Greece BTW?

Greece is a European country (unlike Turkey), so of course they can.

There is no automatic right for non-EU foreign nationals to acquire real estate in Greece. This is the procedure that they have to follow:

http://rechtsanwalt-griechenland.net/en ... onals.html

3. The most difficult part for a foreign national, if he wants to acquire real estate property in Greece, is the application to the Ministry of National Defence for a waiver of the prohibition stating the purpose for which you plan to use the real estate. The decision-making Committee consists of delegates from the Ministries of National Defence, of Finance, Public Order and Agriculture. Any awarded permission may be repealed by the Minister of Defence.
The application should be submitted together with the following documents:

1) a short cv of the purchaser containing his actual profession,

2) a detailed description of the item on sale including the annexes,

3) the purpose of the acquisition,

4) a certified copy of the ID-card or the passport of the purchaser,

5) a birth certificate of the purchaser in the official language of the country of origin,

6) a certificate of good conduct by the competent authorities of the country of origin,

7) a certificate by the competent authority of the country of origin, that there is no case against the purchaser pending in any court and that he is not being prosecuted for any crime, including previous penalties if there are any,

an affidavit with the same content as 7) and, besides this, a declaration, that the purchaser is giving his permission to the Greek authorities to check his personal data.

9) a topographic plan of the real estate asset and the apartment(s) and of the surrounding area (1:5000 or 1:10000).

10) a residence permit or other document, which proves that the purchaser resides legally in Greek territory.

[alexISS]

What kind of a Program were you thinking of? Perhaps a Eurovision song contest?
Did anybody answer if Turkish Nationals can own property in Greece BTW?

Greece is a European country (unlike Turkey), so of course they can.

There is no automatic right for non-EU foreign nationals to acquire real estate in Greece. This is the procedure that they have to follow:

http://rechtsanwalt-griechenland.net/en ... onals.html

I believe YFred was questioning the ability of Turkish Nationals to hold on to property they already own in Greece

[Tim Drayton]

What kind of a Program were you thinking of? Perhaps a Eurovision song contest?
Did anybody answer if Turkish Nationals can own property in Greece BTW?

Greece is a European country (unlike Turkey), so of course they can.

There is no automatic right for non-EU foreign nationals to acquire real estate in Greece. This is the procedure that they have to follow:

http://rechtsanwalt-griechenland.net/en ... onals.html

I believe YFred was questioning the ability of Turkish Nationals to hold on to property they already own in Greece

I believe that he is referring to citizens of the Republic of Turkey and not Turkish-speaking citizens of Greece.

[zan]

ECHR makes landmark ruling on Greek property in Istanbul
By Charles Charalambous
(archive article - Wednesday, September 30, 2009)

THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights (ECHR) yesterday upheld the right of Greek nationals to inherit property in Istanbul, which is denied under Turkish law.

The ruling on a case brought in 2002 by Ioannis and Evangelos Fokas – two brothers from Katerini in Macedonia, Greece – relates to three apartment blocks left to them by their sister, Polyxeni Pistika, who lived in Istanbul.

The court found that current Turkish law, which denies any person not holding Turkish nationality the right to inherit property in Turkey, violated the plaintiffs’ right to “peaceful enjoyment of their property”. The ECHR also found Turkey guilty of racial discrimination on the grounds of the plaintiffs’ ethnic origin and religion.

The plaintiffs were represented by three lawyers: one Greek, one Turkish, and Greek Cypriot, human rights lawyer Achilleas Demetriades.

Since Pistika had herself inherited the three apartment blocks from her parents, Demetriades said yesterday that “this ruling essentially opens the way for anyone with inheritance rights in Istanbul, at least, to register a claim on property previously owned by their parents or grandparents.”

The two plaintiffs are also claiming €19 million in damages from the Turkish state for being deprived of use of their property. If the Turkish government refuses to pay this amount, there is a second claim for €5.5 million, equivalent to the estimated value of the property.

A crucial component of the plaintiffs’ case was the argument made in the successful application to the ECHR made by Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou, which clearly established the inalienable right of refugee property.

Demetriades said that the Loizidou ruling established the notion of continued violation. “Despite the fact that a state in its own opinion takes possession of a property, this seizure is not legal; and since it is not legal, and the court confirms this, then the plaintiff is entitled to be compensated for income he has been deprived of.”

If Turkey does not appeal against the ECHR ruling within three months, then the court will award damages.

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