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Talks' failure will lead to partition

Postby Simon » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:56 am

Talks’ failure will lead to partition
By George Psyllides

FAILURE IN the current talks will most certainly mean partition for Cyprus, and not a just a benign continuation of the status quo, the International Crisis Group (ICG) says in its latest report due to be published today.

“Most actors agree that the window of opportunity for this bicommunal, bizonal settlement will close by April 2010, the date of the next Turkish Cypriot elections, when the pro-settlement leader (Mehmet Ali Talat) risks losing his office to a more hardline candidate,” the draft ICG report says.

Failure to reach an accord, the organisation said, would mean an indefinite partition of the island, leading to more strains in EU-Turkey relations and new frictions in the east Mediterranean.

It would also mean “less EU-NATO cooperation, acceleration of the centrifugal forces scattering the Turkish Cypriots and new risks to the prosperity and security of Greek Cypriots.”

And a de facto partition would not be a benign continuation of the status quo, as many Cypriots believe.

Cyprus has been frustrating Turkey’s EU course and this “contributes to frictions over offshore oil exploration rights, including in waters disputed with Greece, that have brought opposing gunboats into close proximity,” the group said.

“In the absence of a Cyprus settlement, both communities on the island and Turkey will experience slower economic progress, greater defence spending and reduced international credibility,” the report says.

The group suggested that Turkey is today more ready than in the past to defy the EU and risk irreversible damage to the relationship over what it also sees as issues of national interest and justice.

“This faultline will be tested again in discussions leading up to December’s EU summit, in which the heads of state and government must decide what to do about Turkey’s failure to implement its signed obligation to open its ports to Greek Cypriot air and sea traffic,” the Crisis Group said.

It recommends to the two leaderships to show greater willingness to bargain across individually insoluble issues in the talks and build a joint public relations strategy to communicate to both sides on the island a tangible dedication to a comprehensive settlement.

The two leaders will also have to explain to their people that this is almost certainly the last chance for many years for any settlement and that the alternative is likely to be partition.

As for the guarantor powers, Greece, Turkey, and the UK, they could agree, with the involvement of the two communities, on upgrading the Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance that could include reunited Cyprus as a signatory and set out a graduated mix of EU, UN and international oversight of a settlement.

“Complacency and cynicism in both communities are now so high that the peace talks do not even have a name. Almost nothing has been done to implement the 22 confidence-building steps agreed in June/July 2008. The two leaders have not yet communicated their undoubted will to build a brighter future for Cypriots.1 It is urgent that they should agree on and implement a joint strategy.”

It said currently, only 23 per cent of Greek Cypriots and 41 per cent of Turkish Cypriots are reportedly leaning towards a “yes” in a referendum; about one third in both communities are said to be definitely leaning towards a “no”. According to the pollsters, “an agreement in Cyprus is possible, but it will be a hard sell to the people of both communities”.

It added that both community leaders, particularly Talat, were weaker domestically than a year ago.

Quoting a senior diplomat in the region the report said: “The international community is getting tired … if all this fails, bizonal and bicommunal will be dead. It has had 32 years. Big efforts have been made. This is the negotiation that they postponed [in 2004]. If this fails, it’s dead. The status quo is finished. The future is either federation or partition.

Failure in the talks in 2010 could also have deep repercussions for the UN presence. According to a senior diplomat: “This is the last chance. If it fails, I think the UN should give up. There is no point in pursuing a policy that doesn’t work. Turkey will not come back to this [set of parameters]. We should say no further. In two years, UNFICYP will be gone. Then, in the end, the Greek Cypriots will have to sit down with Turkey and discuss their mutual border, which will be going right through the middle of Nicosia.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=48091


Should we be worried? :shock:

Personally, I would prefer partition on an 80/20 basis rather than any rotating presidency with the majority of settlers staying and a Turkish guarantee over the whole island. I'm certainly not liking the way these negotiations are going so far, and I do worry about the effects of another GC no vote at a referendum, especially if TCs say yes again.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:50 am

Partition already exists so I’m not sure what this article is on about. If the author however, meant “recognition of the occupied territory” then he has bitten off more than he can chew because it’s technically impossible without also sending the UN and the EU into total disarray!

Notice that none of these scaremongers are able to explain how something like that can possibly come about without violating major international laws, including Human Rights laws that have proven especially prevalent and successfully fought at the ECHR in the last decade or so.

Had Turkey not been so greedy in 1974, and captured just 20% of predominantly TC-owned land they might have had a good chance to argue a “TC state” based on the “self determination” card and backed by a positive TC referendum but alas…
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Postby Expatkiwi » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:04 am

Get Real! wrote:Partition already exists so I’m not sure what this article is on about. If the author however, meant “recognition of the occupied territory” then he has bitten off more than he can chew because it’s technically impossible without also sending the UN and the EU into total disarray!

Notice that none of these scaremongers are able to explain how something like that can possibly come about without violating major international laws, including Human Rights laws that have proven especially prevalent and successfully fought at the ECHR in the last decade or so.

Had Turkey not been so greedy in 1974, and captured just 20% of predominantly TC-owned land they might have had a good chance to argue a “TC state” based on the “self determination” card and backed by a positive TC referendum but alas…


So you think cession of territory now by the north will strengthen its case?
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Postby Piratis » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:51 am

This is the usual crap from the ICG.

The ICG is run by a former ambassador to Turkey and their aim is to strengthen the ties between Turkey and the West.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:43 am

It is the usual tactic of the common underground bully trying to intimidate the victim with empty threats. If a solution is not found, the only sure outcome will be the freezing of even more EU accession chapters, and the eventual total and complete suspension of Turkey’s EU accession negotiations. Since 1974, we heard this theory of so called “last chance,” about a thousand times so far.
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Postby YFred » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:37 am

Kifeas wrote:It is the usual tactic of the common underground bully trying to intimidate the victim with empty threats. If a solution is not found, the only sure outcome will be the freezing of even more EU accession chapters, and the eventual total and complete suspension of Turkey’s EU accession negotiations. Since 1974, we heard this theory of so called “last chance,” about a thousand times so far.

Well make the most of it while it lasts.
:lol: :lol:
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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:37 pm

YFred wrote:
Kifeas wrote:It is the usual tactic of the common underground bully trying to intimidate the victim with empty threats. If a solution is not found, the only sure outcome will be the freezing of even more EU accession chapters, and the eventual total and complete suspension of Turkey’s EU accession negotiations. Since 1974, we heard this theory of so called “last chance,” about a thousand times so far.

Well make the most of it while it lasts.
:lol: :lol:


Yes, yet another "last chance". :lol:

So let's get this right if these "last chance" fail we get partition and if they succeed, along the lines that Talat with his "two founding states" promotes, we still get Partition.

Curious "last chance" talks these.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:44 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
YFred wrote:
Kifeas wrote:It is the usual tactic of the common underground bully trying to intimidate the victim with empty threats. If a solution is not found, the only sure outcome will be the freezing of even more EU accession chapters, and the eventual total and complete suspension of Turkey’s EU accession negotiations. Since 1974, we heard this theory of so called “last chance,” about a thousand times so far.

Well make the most of it while it lasts.
:lol: :lol:


Yes, yet another "last chance". :lol:

So let's get this right if these "last chance" fail we get partition and if they succeed, along the lines that Talat with his "two founding states" promotes, we still get Partition.

Curious "last chance" talks these.

Exactly! :lol:

It’s the last chance to legalize Turkey’s 1974 spoils alright! :roll:
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Postby YFred » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:47 pm

Get Real! wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
YFred wrote:
Kifeas wrote:It is the usual tactic of the common underground bully trying to intimidate the victim with empty threats. If a solution is not found, the only sure outcome will be the freezing of even more EU accession chapters, and the eventual total and complete suspension of Turkey’s EU accession negotiations. Since 1974, we heard this theory of so called “last chance,” about a thousand times so far.

Well make the most of it while it lasts.
:lol: :lol:


Yes, yet another "last chance". :lol:

So let's get this right if these "last chance" fail we get partition and if they succeed, along the lines that Talat with his "two founding states" promotes, we still get Partition.

Curious "last chance" talks these.

Exactly! :lol:

It’s the last chance to legalize Turkey’s 1974 spoils alright! :roll:

Judging by the polls in the north, it's too late. The last one was the last one?
Time will tell my friends.
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Postby paliometoxo » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:48 pm

the turks always ay this crap about leading to partition and partition will never happen they are just trying to scare gcs because they want eu
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