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Postby Hermes » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:40 pm

ECHR makes landmark ruling on Greek property in Istanbul

By Charles Charalambous

THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights (ECHR) yesterday upheld the right of Greek nationals to inherit property in Istanbul, which is denied under Turkish law.

The ruling on a case brought in 2002 by Ioannis and Evangelos Fokas – two brothers from Katerini in Macedonia, Greece – relates to three apartment blocks left to them by their sister, Polyxeni Pistika, who lived in Istanbul.

The court found that current Turkish law, which denies any person not holding Turkish nationality the right to inherit property in Turkey, violated the plaintiffs’ right to “peaceful enjoyment of their property”. The ECHR also found Turkey guilty of racial discrimination on the grounds of the plaintiffs’ ethnic origin and religion.

The plaintiffs were represented by three lawyers: one Greek, one Turkish, and Greek Cypriot, human rights lawyer Achilleas Demetriades.

Since Pistika had herself inherited the three apartment blocks from her parents, Demetriades said yesterday that “this ruling essentially opens the way for anyone with inheritance rights in Istanbul, at least, to register a claim on property previously owned by their parents or grandparents.”

The two plaintiffs are also claiming €19 million in damages from the Turkish state for being deprived of use of their property. If the Turkish government refuses to pay this amount, there is a second claim for €5.5 million, equivalent to the estimated value of the property.

A crucial component of the plaintiffs’ case was the argument made in the successful application to the ECHR made by Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou, which clearly established the inalienable right of refugee property.

Demetriades said that the Loizidou ruling established the notion of continued violation. “Despite the fact that a state in its own opinion takes possession of a property, this seizure is not legal; and since it is not legal, and the court confirms this, then the plaintiff is entitled to be compensated for income he has been deprived of.”


If Turkey does not appeal against the ECHR ruling within three months, then the court will award damages.



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Postby paliometoxo » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:54 pm

of course turkey is going to refuse to pay.. but its ncie to see justice and to see the racist turks not getting away with it
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Re: Greek Property In Turkey

Postby insan » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:56 pm

Hermes wrote:
ECHR makes landmark ruling on Greek property in Istanbul

By Charles Charalambous

THE EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights (ECHR) yesterday upheld the right of Greek nationals to inherit property in Istanbul, which is denied under Turkish law.

The ruling on a case brought in 2002 by Ioannis and Evangelos Fokas – two brothers from Katerini in Macedonia, Greece – relates to three apartment blocks left to them by their sister, Polyxeni Pistika, who lived in Istanbul.

The court found that current Turkish law, which denies any person not holding Turkish nationality the right to inherit property in Turkey, violated the plaintiffs’ right to “peaceful enjoyment of their property”. The ECHR also found Turkey guilty of racial discrimination on the grounds of the plaintiffs’ ethnic origin and religion.

The plaintiffs were represented by three lawyers: one Greek, one Turkish, and Greek Cypriot, human rights lawyer Achilleas Demetriades.

Since Pistika had herself inherited the three apartment blocks from her parents, Demetriades said yesterday that “this ruling essentially opens the way for anyone with inheritance rights in Istanbul, at least, to register a claim on property previously owned by their parents or grandparents.”

The two plaintiffs are also claiming €19 million in damages from the Turkish state for being deprived of use of their property. If the Turkish government refuses to pay this amount, there is a second claim for €5.5 million, equivalent to the estimated value of the property.

A crucial component of the plaintiffs’ case was the argument made in the successful application to the ECHR made by Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou, which clearly established the inalienable right of refugee property.

Demetriades said that the Loizidou ruling established the notion of continued violation. “Despite the fact that a state in its own opinion takes possession of a property, this seizure is not legal; and since it is not legal, and the court confirms this, then the plaintiff is entitled to be compensated for income he has been deprived of.”


If Turkey does not appeal against the ECHR ruling within three months, then the court will award damages.



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That nonsense law should be changed and allow everyone inherit the properties of their ancestors from a certain date onwards.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:05 pm

The funny thing is that I thought the law in Turkey governing real property ownership by foreign nationals had been amended to permit foreigners to inherit property provided the principle of reciprocity is met (i.e. the country of which that person is a national permits Turkish nationals to own property there), otherwise the property is to be sold and the heir receives the proceeds. Can Turkish nationals own real property in Greece?
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Postby insan » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:11 pm

Does my country have a reciprocity agreement with Turkey for ownership of property?
In order to own or inherit property in Turkey as a foreign national, your country needs to have a reciprocity agreement with Turkey. (See In the UK, I have drawn up a will leaving my inheritance to my spouse and my children. What laws apply to my property in Turkey?) Countries listed in the Annex 1 list have a full reciprocity agreement with Turkey, and nationals of these countries can own and inherit property in Turkey. Nationals of Annex 2 countries cannot own or inherit property in Turkey. Nationals of Annex 3 countries have reciprocity for building acquisition only. The rights of nationals of other countries will be considered on a case-by-case basis. If you have any questions regarding your rights to own or inherit property in Turkey, you should address them to your embassy. Top ANNEX - 1 1. ANDORRA 2. ARGENTINA 3. AUSTRALIA 4. AUSTRIA 5. BAHAMAS 6. BANGLADESH 7. BARBADOS 8. BELGIUM 9. BELIZE 10. BENIN 11. BOLIVIA 12. BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA 13. BOSTWANA 14. BRAZIL 15. CAMEROON 16. CANADA 17. CAPE-VERDE 18. CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC 19. CHILE 20. COLOMBIA 21. COSTA RICA 22. COTE D'IVOIRE 23. CROATIA 24. DENMARK 25. ECUADOR 26. EL SALVADOR 27. ENGLAND 28. ESTONIA 29. FINLAND 30. FRANCE 31. GABON 32. GERMANY 33. GHANA 34. GUINEA 35. GRENADA 36. GUATEMALA 37. GUYANA 38. HAITI 39. HONDURAS 40. HUNGARY 41. IRELAND 42. ISRAEL 43. ITALY 44. JAMAICA 45. JAPAN 46. KOREA, SOUTH 47. LATVIA 48. LIECHTENSTEIN 49. LITHUANIA 50. LUXEMBOURG 51. MALAWI 52. MALAYSIA 53. MALI 54. MALTA 55. MAURITANIA 56. MAURITIUS 57. MEXICO 58. MONACO 59. MOZAMBIQUE 60. NETHERLANDS 61. NEW ZEALAND 62. NICARAGUA 63. NIGERIA 64. NORWAY 65. PANAMA 66. PARAGUAY 67. PERU 68. PHILIPPINES 69. POLAND 70. PORTUGAL 71. SAN MARINO 72. SENEGAL 73. SINGAPORE 74. SOMALIA 75. SOUTH AFRICAN REPUBLIC 76. SRI LANKA 77. SPAIN 78. SWAZILAND 79. SWEDEN 80. SWITZERLAND 81. TANZANIA 82. THE REPUBLIC OF DOMINICA 83. TURKISH REPUBLIC OF NORTHERN CYPRUS 84. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 85. URUGUAY 86. VENEZUELA 87. YUGOSLAVIA(SERBIA-MONTENEGRO) ANNEX - 2 1. AFGHANISTAN 2. ALGERIA 3. ARMENIA 4. BURMA 5. CAMBODIA 6. CUBA 7. CZECH REPUBLIC 8. ERITREA 9. ETHIOPIA 10. FIJI 11. ICELAND 12. INDIA 13. INDONESIA 14. IRAQ 15. KOREA, NORTH 16. KUWAIT 17. LAOS 18. LIBYA 19. MALDIVES 20. MONGOLIA 21. NEPAL 22. NIGER 23. OMAN 24. PAPUA NEW GUINEA 25. QATAR 26. SAUDI ARABIA 27. SLOVAKIA 28. SUDAN 29. SURINAME 30. THAILAND 31. TUNISIA 32. UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 33. VIETNAM 34. YEMEN ANNEX-3 1-AZERBAIJAN 2-BAHRAIN 3-BELARUS 4-CHAD 5- CHINA 6-EGYPT 7-GEORGIA 8-IRAN (With the conditions of five-year residence and permission of relevant Ministeries) 9-JORDAN 10-KAZAKHISTAN 11-KENYA 12-KYRGIZISTAN 13- MACEDONIA 14-MOLDOVIA 15-MOROCCO 16-NAMIBIA 17-ROMANIA 18-RUSSIAN FEDERATION 19-SLOVENIA 20-TAJIKISTAN 21-TURKMENISTAN 22-UGANDA 23- UKRAINE 24-UZBEKISTAN

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Postby Nikitas » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:55 pm

The status of Greeks in Istanbul was meant to be governed by the agreements under the treaty of Lausanne.

Turky has unilaterally undermined the treaty provisions with various regulations and laws.

Greece allows foreigners in general to purchase property except in areas that are militarily sensitive.

Regardless of either country's regulations of the property issue, membership in the Council of Europe and signing and ratifying the European Convention of Human Rights superseded any local property laws. The Convention is quasi constitutional in its effect.
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Postby Sotos » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:04 am

And then some TCs think they can take our properties in the occupied Cyprus without our agreement :roll: Only if we are stupid and we sign something like Annan plan and gift our properties to them this can happen! Otherwise it will be law suit after law suit until we take everything back!
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