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Postby London » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:24 am

Oracle wrote:
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London wrote:Everything was started by you!!!!


When? Tell me a date that you think we started it and I will show to you that you are wrong!


Sotos, this guy is one of the most stupid. He refuses facts and makes up lies which he cannot back up. He contradicts himself but is unable to learn where his thinking is flawed.


So things didnt start with EOKA, targeting the British, GC's and TC's, anyone who got in their way??

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... FICYP.html

Resorting to insults are we now Oracle, obviously you havent got anything sensible or intelligent to say.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:43 am

GR, I believe the the December 1963 Clash was stated by Greeks, not Turks. The way the population demographic was, plus with the Cypriot President trying to change the constitution, the bottom line was that the Majority has everything to gain and the minority had everything to lose.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:56 am

Expatkiwi wrote:GR, I believe the the December 1963 Clash was stated by Greeks, not Turks. The way the population demographic was, plus with the Cypriot President trying to change the constitution, the bottom line was that the Majority has everything to gain and the minority had everything to lose.

From the U.S. Library of Congress…

“1963 Constitutional Breakdown”

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm
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Postby bigOz » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:07 am

Get Real! wrote:Expat, seems to think that the 1964 events were a one-sided affair with the TCs the sole victims! :roll:

Why don’t you read UNFICYP's accounts and educate yourself…

1964 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

1967 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

Are you drunk re GR???

Your links prove nothing but the opposite of whatever you are trying to say!

quotes from your links:
"Serious incidents occurred in the Tylliria area on 4 April 1964, at Ayios Theodhoros on 22 April, and in the area north of Nicosia from 25 to 29 April. A number of UNFICYP soldiers were killed as they sought to carry out their duties during continued scattered fighting in May. A major outbreak of fighting occurred from 5 to 8 August in the Tylliria area, reducing the Turkish Cypriot bridgehead there to the village of Kokkina. This was followed by aerial attacks on government forces by Turkish fighter aircraft, and led on 8 and 9 August to meetings of the Security Council, which adopted resolution 193 (1964), which, inter alia, called for an immediate ceasefire. The governments of Cyprus and Turkey accepted the ceasefire without conditions."

"In November 1967, the Cyprus police sought to resume the practice of patrolling Ayios Theodhoros, passing through the Turkish Cypriot quarter, and informed UNFICYP that the National Guard would, if necessary, escort the policemen. On 15 November, heavy fighting broke out, and the National Guard overran most of Ayios Theodhoros and part of Kophinou. The Turkish government protested to the Secretary-General, who requested the Cyprus and Greek governments to bring about a withdrawal of the National Guard from the areas it had occupied. The withdrawal was carried out on 16 November. On 18 and 19 November, there were several Turkish over flights of Cyprus, and armed clashes spread to the Kokkina and Kyrenia areas."


Of course there are a lot of gaps in between lines. June1964 EOKA-B leader Grivas returns to the island to to take charge of the National Guard! Less than 2 months after August 1964 his forces attack Tylliria and Kokkina using artillery, armoured vehicles and a batallion of National guard, backed by that many mainland Greek forces! All that against a handful of TC students (around 350-400) who returned to the area by sea and joined the local TCs in the defense of their villages. They were merely stuck/imprisoned there from day one anyway!

After Grivas attacks them with all his might and is about to erase the villages + occupants using far superior fire and manpower, Turkish jets bombed the shit out of them (admittetly using Napalm) to save the lives of the local TCs and the students. TCs rejoiced, while GCs cried murder and displayed the dead burnt by the napalm!

My condolences... BUT! Even the most retarded adult would know that had it not been for the jets bombing there would definitely have been a much greater atrocity where besides the 500 fighting men some 1000 civilians (women, children and elderly) would have been killed or buried alive - as had always been the case with EOKA B attacks on TC villages.

Guess what happened in 1966? ELA! "Joint communiqué signed by the Governments of Greece and Cyprus that any solution excluding enosis would be unacceptable, February 1966."[/size]

And what happened next:Military coup in Greece, 21 April 1967

So OK, TCs can live with that - but hold on now we have:"November 1967 Fighting between National Guard under Grivas and Turkish Cypriots in the Kophinou area leads to Turkish ultimatum; accepted by the Greek Junta, which withdraws troops and Grivas from Cyprus."

Now, Kophinou was a lot smaller than the Kokkina area back in 1964, with a fraction of the TCs that were there. In other words, a very small and weak TC enclave on the main Nıcosia-Limassol road sticking in Grivas' eye like sour thumb. So he deploys a fucking BATALLION of an army against some 50-100 TC local fighting men, who never took the offensive against GCs! "On 15 November, heavy fighting broke out, and the National Guard overran most of Ayios Theodhoros and part of Kophinou."

What left behind were many women, children and elderly dead as well as most of the men! This lead to Turkish jets flying over Cyprus again + a Turkish ultimatum; accepted by the Greek Junta, who withdrew troops and Grivas from Cyprus, November 1967.

Because the TCs decided to stand up for themselves when about to be attacked by fully equipped and more numerous National Guard led by EOKA B supporter/leader Grivas whose sole aim in life was ENOSIS, the whole affair was not one sided was it not? You really do make me laugh sometimes GR!

So! Your exact point please? :roll: :lol:
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Postby SSBubbles » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:12 am

bill cobbett wrote:There are times when we must surely leave our little political differences aside for a while in these very personal matters. This is one of those times.
My sincerest condolences Expat for your loss.


I agree 100% BillC, this must be a very sorrowful time for expatkiwi and his family, and I extend my sincere condolences.

After having skimmed this thread ( most of it **ap!), I suggest another thread is opened for those of a different view! You know who I am talking to! :roll: :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:27 am

London wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Sotos wrote:
London wrote:Everything was started by you!!!!


When? Tell me a date that you think we started it and I will show to you that you are wrong!


Sotos, this guy is one of the most stupid. He refuses facts and makes up lies which he cannot back up. He contradicts himself but is unable to learn where his thinking is flawed.


So things didnt start with EOKA, targeting the British, GC's and TC's, anyone who got in their way??

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... FICYP.html

Resorting to insults are we now Oracle, obviously you havent got anything sensible or intelligent to say.


The website that you gave is one which supports the British Colonialists. Still even in that website it is said:

The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... FICYP.html

And here is a video for those events:



So it is clear who started the inter-communal conflict, the TCs.

Until that point the GCs were fighting against the British Colonialists for the freedom of Cyprus, like we had every right to do.

It is the TCs who then collaborated with the Colonialists, attacked the GCs, and started to threaten us with partition (the annihilation of GCS from half of our island). Until that point there was no inter-communal conflict, neither we ever made any threads against your community. It was all started by you. (and the reason you started it was because you became the pawns of those foreign Imperialists, who used your minority as an excuse to deny from the Cypriot people their right for freedom and self-determination, and in this way maintain their troops on our island).

I believe the the December 1963 Clash was stated by Greeks, not Turks.


That is very debatable. What is not debatable is that the inter-communal conflict did not start in the 60s, but in the 50s and it was without any doubt started by the TCs.

Selecting some events that happened during the conflict proves nothing except from the fact that there was a conflict going on. A conflict cuts both ways, and of course you will find cases where TCs are attacked and other cases where GCs are attacked. Selectively choosing the cases that suit you (when TCs are attacked) and ignoring the cases that don't suit you (when GCs are attacked) only shows that you are unable to support your position without hiding half of the truth.

If you want to see who is responsible for the conflict then you have to find who started the conflict. And as I have shown the conflict was started by the TCs in the 1950s.
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Postby DANGAMAN » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:51 am

Expatkiwi, adding my sincere condolences to you and your wife.

I think I know how you feel as I was told last monday that my father was given aprrox 2 months t live.

He has wanted to visit Cyprus the last four years, but due to his health conditon it was not safe for him to fly over.

I suppose he will never get to complete his last wish.

The problem I have is that I do no know when to visit as I can only take a few days off work.

I think I will have to be the strong one in the family too...
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:58 am

Piratis wrote:
London wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Sotos wrote:
London wrote:Everything was started by you!!!!


When? Tell me a date that you think we started it and I will show to you that you are wrong!


Sotos, this guy is one of the most stupid. He refuses facts and makes up lies which he cannot back up. He contradicts himself but is unable to learn where his thinking is flawed.


So things didnt start with EOKA, targeting the British, GC's and TC's, anyone who got in their way??

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... FICYP.html

Resorting to insults are we now Oracle, obviously you havent got anything sensible or intelligent to say.


The website that you gave is one which supports the British Colonialists. Still even in that website it is said:

The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... FICYP.html

And here is a video for those events:



So it is clear who started the inter-communal conflict, the TCs.

Until that point the GCs were fighting against the British Colonialists for the freedom of Cyprus, like we had every right to do.

It is the TCs who then collaborated with the Colonialists, attacked the GCs, and started to threaten us with partition (the annihilation of GCS from half of our island). Until that point there was no inter-communal conflict, neither we ever made any threads against your community. It was all started by you. (and the reason you started it was because you became the pawns of those foreign Imperialists, who used your minority as an excuse to deny from the Cypriot people their right for freedom and self-determination, and in this way maintain their troops on our island).

I believe the the December 1963 Clash was stated by Greeks, not Turks.


That is very debatable. What is not debatable is that the inter-communal conflict did not start in the 60s, but in the 50s and it was without any doubt started by the TCs.

Selecting some events that happened during the conflict proves nothing except from the fact that there was a conflict going on. A conflict cuts both ways, and of course you will find cases where TCs are attacked and other cases where GCs are attacked. Selectively choosing the cases that suit you (when TCs are attacked) and ignoring the cases that don't suit you (when GCs are attacked) only shows that you are unable to support your position without hiding half of the truth.

If you want to see who is responsible for the conflict then you have to find who started the conflict. And as I have shown the conflict was started by the TCs in the 1950s.



Here we go again........................ :roll:


Must be a world record of repeats..............
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Postby Piratis » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:14 am

Must be a world record of repeats..............


And still some people want to deny the obvious, insisting that the inter-communal conflict started in the 60s.

As long as you are lying saying that the inter-communal conflict was started by the GCs in the 60s I have the right to correct you and show the truth. Stop repeating lies and then I will not need to repeat the truth.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:26 am

Piratis wrote:
Must be a world record of repeats..............


And still some people want to deny the obvious, insisting that the inter-communal conflict started in the 60s.

As long as you are lying saying that the inter-communal conflict was started by the GCs in the 60s I have the right to correct you and show the truth. Stop repeating lies and then I will not need to repeat the truth.



Piratis. I do not lie. You are repetitious. :lol:

Yes, you started it all in 1821 and 1878, so there. And dont give me another repeat on 'Sel-Determination' was your right. Over our dead bodies. Oh, you done that already. :evil:
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