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[Expatkiwi]

Expat, I too want to express my condolences for the loss of your child.

This may not be the right time to ask you this, but in the near future, I do want to talk about how your son ended up in that vehicle that took his life. The driver’s age.? I'm worried that my questions may not be too kind to you as a parent and your responsibilities as a parent. How do you go from living Los Angeles area to end up some place like Little Rock.? What motivated you to move across the country into a state where Racism is still very rampant and "white trash - Redneck" behaviour in abundance. As I've said, I would like to pick this up with you at another time when the time is right.

Again, my condolences.!

Thanks for the condolences. Actually Arkansas isn't like that (at least not now). It's a long story, and I'll probably write it to you in a PM soon....

[Jerry]

The GCs did not carry out ethnic cleansing of TCs. The TCs did however enclave themselves, strategically, to await the pending invasion by Turkey (failed in 1964, succeeded in 1974).

Oracle, I heard that side of the story, but the BBC and other archive sources indicate otherwise. Who should I beleive?

Condolences Expatkiwi, I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

With regard to "the other side of the story" can I suggest Martin Packard's book that has been mentioned on the forum. Reading it it's quite obvious that BOTH sides had their own agenda, the TCs were easy "victims" being outnumbered 4 to 1 and being victims helped achieve their goal of Turkish "intervention" and ultimate Takism.

[Expatkiwi]

The GCs did not carry out ethnic cleansing of TCs. The TCs did however enclave themselves, strategically, to await the pending invasion by Turkey (failed in 1964, succeeded in 1974).

Oracle, I heard that side of the story, but the BBC and other archive sources indicate otherwise. Who should I beleive?

Condolences Expatkiwi, I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

With regard to "the other side of the story" can I suggest Martin Packard's book that has been mentioned on the forum. Reading it it's quite obvious that BOTH sides had their own agenda, the TCs were easy "victims" being outnumbered 4 to 1 and being victims helped achieve their goal of Turkish "intervention" and ultimate Takism.

I'll look it up and see what it has to say.

[Oracle]

And are you sure a Greek wouldn't shoot a Turk for trying to tear down a Greek flag?

Can you see the pattern here? We seem to be living our lives with the Turks carrying out atrocities and then saying the "Greeks" would do the same. Well we wouldn't and we haven't.

They seem unable to separate fact from fiction. We have lost (temporarily) nearly half our country because of the fantasies of the TCs.

[Oracle]

The GCs did not carry out ethnic cleansing of TCs. The TCs did however enclave themselves, strategically, to await the pending invasion by Turkey (failed in 1964, succeeded in 1974).

Oracle, I heard that side of the story, but the BBC and other archive sources indicate otherwise. Who should I beleive?

Follow Jerry's advice.

But, also bare in mind that at the time movements were made, each reporter was conveying a little bit of the picture. The full implications of those movements into enclaves, the ethnic cleansing of several GC villages by the TMT, the removal of all the Armenians from their quarters by the TMT etc ... all those historical stories build up as the evidence for the plans that were being hatched in the background. Now we have the realisation of those plans and we have Turkey controlling nearly half the country.

So, weigh up the evidence reported at the time with the interpretation of what we know now has happened and other consequences.

BTW: How much hold do those TC friends have on you, Expatkiwi, that you are doing their dirty work for them and on their behalf? I think you are quite sensitive and emotional and perhaps they are playing on your sympathies.

[Sotos]

why not let them have their own land?

Because it is not just their land but it is mostly OUR land. If they can't live with us and they want a state of their own they can go to ask from Turkey to donate them land in Turkey. They have no right to ethnically cleanse us and steal our land. But of course an immoral person like you can not understand this simple thing!

Sotos, I just can't understand why you think the efforts of the Greek side to expunge the Turkish Cypriots in late 1963 and the attempted coup in 1974 is moral. Is it moral for Greeks to do this kind of thing whilst for others it is evil?

Only Turkish propagandists would talk about "efforts of the Greek side to expunge the Turkish Cypriots"! There was a conflict that the TCs started in 1958 and both sides have some hundreds of casualties. Expunge is what the Turks did in north Cyprus or in Turkey with the Greeks and the Armenians! Ethnic cleansing and genocides of millions!

[Get Real!]

Expat, seems to think that the 1964 events were a one-sided affair with the TCs the sole victims!

Why don’t you read UNFICYP's accounts and educate yourself…

1964 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

1967 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

[Expatkiwi]

Expat, seems to think that the 1964 events were a one-sided affair with the TCs the sole victims!

Why don’t you read UNFICYP's accounts and educate yourself…

1964 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

1967 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

I have never said that no Turkish Cypriots did anything wrong. There were nationalists on both sides of the conflict. However, I should remind you that (a) Greeks and Turks have always had a historical animosity, and (b) with the Turkish Cypriots a minority, that means being at the mercy of a majority not inclined to be accomodating...

[Get Real!]

Expat, seems to think that the 1964 events were a one-sided affair with the TCs the sole victims!

Why don’t you read UNFICYP's accounts and educate yourself…

1964 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

1967 events

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

I have never said that no Turkish Cypriots did anything wrong. There were nationalists on both sides of the conflict. However, I should remind you that (a) Greeks and Turks have always had a historical animosity, and (b) with the Turkish Cypriots a minority, that means being at the mercy of a majority not inclined to be accomodating...

Then why do you come up with things like...

Sotos, I just can't understand why you think the efforts of the Greek side to expunge the Turkish Cypriots in late 1963 and the attempted coup in 1974 is moral. Is it moral for Greeks to do this kind of thing whilst for others it is evil?

[GeorgeV97qaue]

no but its normal for the turks to come to cyprus kill off 20.000 cypritos for no reason and then plant bombs for the turkish cypritos to cause riioting and make th tcs thing it was gcs and start looting gc shops and homes. the turks knew we would not sit back and do nothing of course eoka counter attacked.. and it was turkeys plan all along so they have an excuse to invade..

Well said mate.