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[Expatkiwi]

Different mentality, Palio. Solomos couldn't have possibly known he was going to be shot for such a thing ...

But Oracle, surely he was trying to provoke some kind or reaction. What he did was a combination of bravery and foolhardiness. And are you sure a Greek wouldn't shoot a Turk for trying to tear down a Greek flag?

Anyway, perhaps you and Sotos can explain to me why you both think that reunification will work.

[paliometoxo]

no but its normal for the turks to come to cyprus kill off 20.000 cypritos for no reason and then plant bombs for the turkish cypritos to cause riioting and make th tcs thing it was gcs and start looting gc shops and homes. the turks knew we would not sit back and do nothing of course eoka counter attacked.. and it was turkeys plan all along so they have an excuse to invade..

[Oracle]

why not let them have their own land?

Because it is not just their land but it is mostly OUR land. If they can't live with us and they want a state of their own they can go to ask from Turkey to donate them land in Turkey. They have no right to ethnically cleanse us and steal our land. But of course an immoral person like you can not understand this simple thing!

Sotos, I just can't understand why you think the efforts of the Greek side to expunge the Turkish Cypriots in late 1963 and the attempted coup in 1974 is moral. Is it moral for Greeks to do this kind of thing whilst for others it is evil?

The GCs did not carry out ethnic cleansing of TCs. The TCs did however enclave themselves, strategically, to await the pending invasion by Turkey (failed in 1964, succeeded in 1974).

[paliometoxo]

makarios held off the coop the first time he went to america and asked for help.. the second time he did nothing and makarios said they wont do anything but greece did and gave turkey the long await excuse they had been waiting for

[Expatkiwi]

The GCs did not carry out ethnic cleansing of TCs. The TCs did however enclave themselves, strategically, to await the pending invasion by Turkey (failed in 1964, succeeded in 1974).

Oracle, I heard that side of the story, but the BBC and other archive sources indicate otherwise. Who should I beleive?

[insan]

makarios held off the coop the first time he went to america and asked for help.. the second time he did nothing and makarios said they wont do anything but greece did and gave turkey the long await excuse they had been waiting for

It seems like Greece gonna backstab GCs one more time in a near future. Not that I believe Greece/Junta backstabed GCs in 1974. I'm trying to evaluate the recent poltical developments from ur view point.

[Expatkiwi]

no but its normal for the turks to come to cyprus kill off 20.000 cypritos for no reason and then plant bombs for the turkish cypritos to cause riioting and make th tcs thing it was gcs and start looting gc shops and homes. the turks knew we would not sit back and do nothing of course eoka counter attacked.. and it was turkeys plan all along so they have an excuse to invade..

And yet you still think that a unitary state is possible? How? If I honestly thought that reconciliation was possible, I'd support it, but I just don't believe this is possible.

[Oracle]

Different mentality, Palio. Solomos couldn't have possibly known he was going to be shot for such a thing ...

But Oracle, surely he was trying to provoke some kind or reaction. What he did was a combination of bravery and foolhardiness. And are you sure a Greek wouldn't shoot a Turk for trying to tear down a Greek flag?

Anyway, perhaps you and Sotos can explain to me why you both think that reunification will work.

It's less of a "re-unification" and more about restoring the rightful legitimate and democratic RoC's free governance over its whole Island. It's more about removal of a foreign invader. It's more about removing the Settlers. If the TCs were ready for a European-style, free democracy like the RoC, they can resume their rightful places amongst decent, law abiding citizens like the GCs, the Armenian Cypriots, the British Cypriots the Maronite Cypriots etc. We all get along fine...

But the question is do the TCs prefer oppression under Turkey?

[Expatkiwi]

But the question is do the TCs prefer oppression under Turkey?

That's a good question. Noone likes being oppressed, but the way people have been taught does influence opinion a lot.

[Kikapu]

Expat, I too want to express my condolences for the loss of your child.

This may not be the right time to ask you this, but in the near future, I do want to talk about how your son ended up in that vehicle that took his life. The driver’s age.? I'm worried that my questions may not be too kind to you as a parent and your responsibilities as a parent. How do you go from living Los Angeles area to end up some place like Little Rock.? What motivated you to move across the country into a state where Racism is still very rampant and "white trash - Redneck" behaviour in abundance. As I've said, I would like to pick this up with you at another time when the time is right.

Again, my condolences.!