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[insan]

- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...

The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.

At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.

The fact is that legal government was not in full control when Kliridis was installed as a so-called president(24th July). Irregulars of EOKA-B was still in action. They weren't touched for the sake of GC unity. It was believed that attempting to arrest the irregulars of EOKA-B would lead a civil war among opposing GC groups.

Irregulars of EOKA-B without any fear, still were threatening both the newly installed, so-called President of Cyprus and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Under such circumstances who would ensure the security of the lives of TCs living all around Cyprus and how?

What could TPF do under such circumstances? Wait until irregulars of EOKA-B begin launching guerilla battles and counter it with a 3rd phase of peace operation?

Deniz, irregulars of EOKA-B freely wandered around Cyprus until 1977. No one could dare to arrest them. In 1977, except some ring leaders of EOKA-B; all forgiven with an amnesty by Makarios.

Had Turkey not launched 2nd phase of peace operation much much more blod would have been shed while wasting time to come to a mutually agreeable position with GC leadership and Greece which were both in a politically very turbulent situation.

TPF together with TC forces achieved the best possible under then the circumstances, IMHO.

[Piratis]

Who was responsible for the coup was the Greek Junta and EOKA-B.

The Greek junta WAS the recognized government of Greece for 7 whole years!

Greece is 100% responsible for the attack and murders of Cypriots and subsequent paving for the Turkish invasion!

As I said coups were not something unusual, and a coup can not be an excuse for an invasion and ethnic cleansing of innocent people.

The dictators of the Greek junta took power by force, with the sponsorship of CIA, and they did not have the support of the Greek people. This is why they have been jailed for life when the Greek people managed to overthrow them.

Trying to equate the actions of a ruler that took the power by force with the will of the people is totally wrong. Would you say that the actions of the Ottoman Authorities in Cyprus during Ottoman rule represented the will of the Cypriot people?

Greece is 100% responsible for the attack and murders of Cypriots and subsequent paving for the Turkish invasion!

Anyone who still denies what’s so bloody obvious to everyone else and written about countless times in books and articles, can only be classified as a Greek nationalist traitor himself… your choice!

The coup only made it easier for the Turks to implement the plan they had since the 1950s.

Nobody said that the coup was justified, but to say that Turkey was excused to invaded Cyprus, kill 1000s, ethnically cleanse 100s of thousands of innocents and occupy our land for decades because there was one coup in Cyprus, is nothing more than Turkish propaganda and you know it.

Let me ask you something GR. Say that Turkey recognizes RoC, withdraws her troops from Cyprus and allows a democratic and free Cyprus to exist. For how long after that will you continue to hate Turkey?

[Get Real!]

Let me ask you something GR. Say that Turkey recognizes RoC, withdraws her troops from Cyprus and allows a democratic and free Cyprus to exist. For how long after that will you continue to hate Turkey?

Indefinitely, until I avenge the Cypriots murdered from both invading Greeks and Turks.

[Piratis]

- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...

The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.

At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.

The fact is that legal government was not in full control when Kliridis was installed as a so-called president(24th July). Irregulars of EOKA-B was still in action. They weren't touched for the sake of GC unity. It was believed that attempting to arrest the irregulars of EOKA-B would lead a civil war among opposing GC groups.

Irregulars of EOKA-B without any fear, still were threatening both the newly installed, so-called President of Cyprus and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Under such circumstances who would ensure the security of the lives of TCs living all around Cyprus and how?

What could TPF do under such circumstances? Wait until irregulars of EOKA-B begin launching guerilla battles and counter it with a 3rd phase of peace operation?

Deniz, irregulars of EOKA-B freely wandered around Cyprus until 1977. No one could dare to arrest them. In 1977, except some ring leaders of EOKA-B; all forgiven with an amnesty by Makarios.

Had Turkey not launched 2nd phase of peace operation much much more blod would have been shed while wasting time to come to a mutually agreeable position with GC leadership and Greece which were both in a politically very turbulent situation.

TPF together with TC forces achieved the best possible under then the circumstances, IMHO.

The fact is that not a single TC was killed during the coup between 15th of July and 20th of July. Any TC that was killed in 1974 was killed only after Turkey with the help of TC extremists started to kill and ethnically cleanse GCs.

[insan]

- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...

The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.

At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.

The fact is that legal government was not in full control when Kliridis was installed as a so-called president(24th July). Irregulars of EOKA-B was still in action. They weren't touched for the sake of GC unity. It was believed that attempting to arrest the irregulars of EOKA-B would lead a civil war among opposing GC groups.

Irregulars of EOKA-B without any fear, still were threatening both the newly installed, so-called President of Cyprus and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Under such circumstances who would ensure the security of the lives of TCs living all around Cyprus and how?

What could TPF do under such circumstances? Wait until irregulars of EOKA-B begin launching guerilla battles and counter it with a 3rd phase of peace operation?

Deniz, irregulars of EOKA-B freely wandered around Cyprus until 1977. No one could dare to arrest them. In 1977, except some ring leaders of EOKA-B; all forgiven with an amnesty by Makarios.

Had Turkey not launched 2nd phase of peace operation much much more blod would have been shed while wasting time to come to a mutually agreeable position with GC leadership and Greece which were both in a politically very turbulent situation.

TPF together with TC forces achieved the best possible under then the circumstances, IMHO.

The fact is that not a single TC was killed during the coup between 15th of July and 20th of July. Any TC that was killed in 1974 was killed only after Turkey with the help of TC extremists started to kill and ethnically cleanse GCs.

Yeah... It was 100% clear that a psyhopat like Sampson who was a fierce Enosist and Turk hater wouldn't touch any TCs. Turkey should wait until he touch any TCs... that would be too late to intervene...

[Piratis]

Let me ask you something GR. Say that Turkey recognizes RoC, withdraws her troops from Cyprus and allows a democratic and free Cyprus to exist. For how long after that will you continue to hate Turkey?

Indefinitely, until I avenge the Cypriots murdered from both invading Greeks and Turks.

How are you going to do that? Invade Turkey?

And what more vengeance could you ask in the case of the Greek Junta? The dictators were jailed for life and they will die in jail. What more do you want?

If Turkey would do the same for those who ordered the invasion and support the occupation wouldn't you be 10000% satisfied? Would you ask for more vengeance against the general Turkish population?

[zan]

- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...

The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.

At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.

The fact is that legal government was not in full control when Kliridis was installed as a so-called president(24th July). Irregulars of EOKA-B was still in action. They weren't touched for the sake of GC unity. It was believed that attempting to arrest the irregulars of EOKA-B would lead a civil war among opposing GC groups.

Irregulars of EOKA-B without any fear, still were threatening both the newly installed, so-called President of Cyprus and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Under such circumstances who would ensure the security of the lives of TCs living all around Cyprus and how?

What could TPF do under such circumstances? Wait until irregulars of EOKA-B begin launching guerilla battles and counter it with a 3rd phase of peace operation?

Deniz, irregulars of EOKA-B freely wandered around Cyprus until 1977. No one could dare to arrest them. In 1977, except some ring leaders of EOKA-B; all forgiven with an amnesty by Makarios.

Had Turkey not launched 2nd phase of peace operation much much more blod would have been shed while wasting time to come to a mutually agreeable position with GC leadership and Greece which were both in a politically very turbulent situation.

TPF together with TC forces achieved the best possible under then the circumstances, IMHO.

The fact is that not a single TC was killed during the coup between 15th of July and 20th of July. Any TC that was killed in 1974 was killed only after Turkey with the help of TC extremists started to kill and ethnically cleanse GCs.

Yeah... It was 100% clear that a psyhopat like Sampson who was a fierce Enosist and Turk hater wouldn't touch any TCs. Turkey should wait until he touch any TCs... that would be too late to intervene...

Insan!!! What are you doing.... ..You shouldn't have interrupted.....We were actually getting them to paste things that they would argue with me over and admitting their crimes.....You...You...

[Piratis]

- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...

The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.

At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.

The fact is that legal government was not in full control when Kliridis was installed as a so-called president(24th July). Irregulars of EOKA-B was still in action. They weren't touched for the sake of GC unity. It was believed that attempting to arrest the irregulars of EOKA-B would lead a civil war among opposing GC groups.

Irregulars of EOKA-B without any fear, still were threatening both the newly installed, so-called President of Cyprus and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Under such circumstances who would ensure the security of the lives of TCs living all around Cyprus and how?

What could TPF do under such circumstances? Wait until irregulars of EOKA-B begin launching guerilla battles and counter it with a 3rd phase of peace operation?

Deniz, irregulars of EOKA-B freely wandered around Cyprus until 1977. No one could dare to arrest them. In 1977, except some ring leaders of EOKA-B; all forgiven with an amnesty by Makarios.

Had Turkey not launched 2nd phase of peace operation much much more blod would have been shed while wasting time to come to a mutually agreeable position with GC leadership and Greece which were both in a politically very turbulent situation.

TPF together with TC forces achieved the best possible under then the circumstances, IMHO.

The fact is that not a single TC was killed during the coup between 15th of July and 20th of July. Any TC that was killed in 1974 was killed only after Turkey with the help of TC extremists started to kill and ethnically cleanse GCs.

Yeah... It was 100% clear that a psyhopat like Sampson who was a fierce Enosist and Turk hater wouldn't touch any TCs. Turkey should wait until he touch any TCs... that would be too late to intervene...

Why Samson didn't touch TCs during those 5 days? And how is killing and ethnically cleansing innocent people a protection of TCs from Samson. And if Samson was your problem then why the mighty Turkish army didn't kill Samson and they instead choose to ethnically cleanse innocent people and rape under age girls? This is your "peace operation"?

Come on Insan, Partition of Cyprus and the ethnic cleansing was something PLANNED since the 1950s. It was not something that was decided on the 15th of July of 1974.

[YFred]

- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...

The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.

At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.

The fact is that legal government was not in full control when Kliridis was installed as a so-called president(24th July). Irregulars of EOKA-B was still in action. They weren't touched for the sake of GC unity. It was believed that attempting to arrest the irregulars of EOKA-B would lead a civil war among opposing GC groups.

Irregulars of EOKA-B without any fear, still were threatening both the newly installed, so-called President of Cyprus and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Under such circumstances who would ensure the security of the lives of TCs living all around Cyprus and how?

What could TPF do under such circumstances? Wait until irregulars of EOKA-B begin launching guerilla battles and counter it with a 3rd phase of peace operation?

Deniz, irregulars of EOKA-B freely wandered around Cyprus until 1977. No one could dare to arrest them. In 1977, except some ring leaders of EOKA-B; all forgiven with an amnesty by Makarios.

Had Turkey not launched 2nd phase of peace operation much much more blod would have been shed while wasting time to come to a mutually agreeable position with GC leadership and Greece which were both in a politically very turbulent situation.

TPF together with TC forces achieved the best possible under then the circumstances, IMHO.

The fact is that not a single TC was killed during the coup between 15th of July and 20th of July. Any TC that was killed in 1974 was killed only after Turkey with the help of TC extremists started to kill and ethnically cleanse GCs.

Yeah... It was 100% clear that a psyhopat like Sampson who was a fierce Enosist and Turk hater wouldn't touch any TCs. Turkey should wait until he touch any TCs... that would be too late to intervene...

Why Samson didn't touch TCs during those 5 days? And how is killing and ethnically cleansing innocent people a protection of TCs from Samson. And if Samson was your problem then why the mighty Turkish army didn't kill Samson and they instead choose to ethnically cleanse innocent people and rape under age girls? This is your "peace operation"?

Come on Insan, Partition of Cyprus and the ethnic cleansing was something PLANNED since the 1950s. It was not something that was decided on the 15th of July of 1974.

Does anyone have the Akritas2 plan for the 6th day?

[Piratis]

- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...

The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.

At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.

The fact is that legal government was not in full control when Kliridis was installed as a so-called president(24th July). Irregulars of EOKA-B was still in action. They weren't touched for the sake of GC unity. It was believed that attempting to arrest the irregulars of EOKA-B would lead a civil war among opposing GC groups.

Irregulars of EOKA-B without any fear, still were threatening both the newly installed, so-called President of Cyprus and Turkey with waging a guerilla warfare.

Under such circumstances who would ensure the security of the lives of TCs living all around Cyprus and how?

What could TPF do under such circumstances? Wait until irregulars of EOKA-B begin launching guerilla battles and counter it with a 3rd phase of peace operation?

Deniz, irregulars of EOKA-B freely wandered around Cyprus until 1977. No one could dare to arrest them. In 1977, except some ring leaders of EOKA-B; all forgiven with an amnesty by Makarios.

Had Turkey not launched 2nd phase of peace operation much much more blod would have been shed while wasting time to come to a mutually agreeable position with GC leadership and Greece which were both in a politically very turbulent situation.

TPF together with TC forces achieved the best possible under then the circumstances, IMHO.

The fact is that not a single TC was killed during the coup between 15th of July and 20th of July. Any TC that was killed in 1974 was killed only after Turkey with the help of TC extremists started to kill and ethnically cleanse GCs.

Yeah... It was 100% clear that a psyhopat like Sampson who was a fierce Enosist and Turk hater wouldn't touch any TCs. Turkey should wait until he touch any TCs... that would be too late to intervene...

Why Samson didn't touch TCs during those 5 days? And how is killing and ethnically cleansing innocent people a protection of TCs from Samson. And if Samson was your problem then why the mighty Turkish army didn't kill Samson and they instead choose to ethnically cleanse innocent people and rape under age girls? This is your "peace operation"?

Come on Insan, Partition of Cyprus and the ethnic cleansing was something PLANNED since the 1950s. It was not something that was decided on the 15th of July of 1974.

Does anyone have the Akritas2 plan for the 6th day?

The plan that was enforced was the partition plan my friend, the one you created in the 1950s, before any inter-communal conflict and before any "Akritas".