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Re: Ethnic Cleansing or inevitable Under then the Circumstan

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:35 pm

insan wrote:- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...



The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?
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Re: Ethnic Cleansing or inevitable Under then the Circumstan

Postby YFred » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:50 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
insan wrote:- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...



The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

It's a matter of belief. I just cannot believe that Sampson intended to kill all GC opposition and had no intention of killing any TCs that got in his way. It was heading towards the annihilation of the TCs no matter how you look at it. But you are right in that intercommunal strife had not strated yet, it was communal strife. We are talking weeks if not days away Sampson was about to plonk the word inter in front of it. As we all know, since the Romans the best form of defence is attack. See what the yanks are doing now. No different really.
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Re: Ethnic Cleansing or inevitable Under then the Circumstan

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:20 pm

YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
insan wrote:- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...



The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

It's a matter of belief. I just cannot believe that Sampson intended to kill all GC opposition and had no intention of killing any TCs that got in his way. It was heading towards the annihilation of the TCs no matter how you look at it. But you are right in that intercommunal strife had not strated yet, it was communal strife. We are talking weeks if not days away Sampson was about to plonk the word inter in front of it. As we all know, since the Romans the best form of defence is attack. See what the yanks are doing now. No different really.



Do you wonder why I 'hate' politics and politicians. It is important when making any statement, in order to have credibility , to use proper nomenclature/terminology. This is one of the weaknesses of TC politicians ( I exclude GC's as I cant read their portfolios). Say what you mean or mean what you say someone on the forum said very recently. (ofcourse first uttered by Mevlana :lol: :lol: )
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Postby Oracle » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:55 pm

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Oracle wrote:This ethnic cleansing by Turkey is a crime against humanity and everyone around the world who cares where our humanity is headed, has to take a firm stance against such medieval practices.

The precedent must be set to overturn Turkey's unilateral determinism towards expansion and prevent the repetition of ethnic cleansing in the future, both by Turkey (habitual offender) and any other country who deems it profitable to mimic Turkey believing they have gotten away with such crimes against humanity .....

Garoyian put it beautifully:

Garoyian stressed that the Greek Cypriot side is interested in seeing the human rights and political freedoms being protected in Cyprus and added: “We will continue fighting for a viable and functional solution which will safeguard the interests of the people of Cyprus, their prospects and future”.
Famagusta-gazette.

It is all about respecting Human Rights .... our civilisation is too important to let Turks sabotage its progress!


That's why Russian criminals who ethnically cleansed Gerogians just 2 years ago, support Hellenic national cause and Hellenic National front pays back by supporting the Russian's crime against humanity... How civilized dirty cooperation indeed! :lol:


That was an entirely different situation and if you are looking desperately for any negatives to justify your Human Rights abuses, and ethnic cleansing generally, then it shows what little regard you have for humanity and its intention to improve.

Nothing justifies what Turkey has done in reversing humanistic progress to satisfy its gut-greed for expansion into territories which appear greener for their geostrategic and economic benefits.

You are the fly in the ointment .... and the ointment will drown you!
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Re: Ethnic Cleansing or inevitable Under then the Circumstan

Postby YFred » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:57 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
insan wrote:- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...



The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

It's a matter of belief. I just cannot believe that Sampson intended to kill all GC opposition and had no intention of killing any TCs that got in his way. It was heading towards the annihilation of the TCs no matter how you look at it. But you are right in that intercommunal strife had not strated yet, it was communal strife. We are talking weeks if not days away Sampson was about to plonk the word inter in front of it. As we all know, since the Romans the best form of defence is attack. See what the yanks are doing now. No different really.



Do you wonder why I 'hate' politics and politicians. It is important when making any statement, in order to have credibility , to use proper nomenclature/terminology. This is one of the weaknesses of TC politicians ( I exclude GC's as I cant read their portfolios). Say what you mean or mean what you say someone on the forum said very recently. (ofcourse first uttered by Mevlana :lol: :lol: )

E by Gum lad, you mean t tell me that yorkshireman coppied it from sombody else?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ethnic Cleansing or inevitable Under then the Circumstan

Postby insan » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:00 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
insan wrote:- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...



The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?


Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.
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Re: Ethnic Cleansing or inevitable Under then the Circumstan

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:21 pm

YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
YFred wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
insan wrote:- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...



The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?

It's a matter of belief. I just cannot believe that Sampson intended to kill all GC opposition and had no intention of killing any TCs that got in his way. It was heading towards the annihilation of the TCs no matter how you look at it. But you are right in that intercommunal strife had not strated yet, it was communal strife. We are talking weeks if not days away Sampson was about to plonk the word inter in front of it. As we all know, since the Romans the best form of defence is attack. See what the yanks are doing now. No different really.



Do you wonder why I 'hate' politics and politicians. It is important when making any statement, in order to have credibility , to use proper nomenclature/terminology. This is one of the weaknesses of TC politicians ( I exclude GC's as I cant read their portfolios). Say what you mean or mean what you say someone on the forum said very recently. (ofcourse first uttered by Mevlana :lol: :lol: )

E by Gum lad, you mean t tell me that yorkshireman coppied it from sombody else?
:lol: :lol: :lol:



Well, what Mevlana really said was,' Ya olduğun gibi görün ya da göründüğün gibi ol'. I take it to mean the same as your Yorshireman. Unless I will be corrected by Insan....again :lol: :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:27 pm

The coup was conducted by Greek Cypriot nationalists and was supported by the Greek Junta.

Why are you blaming others for the action of our own people?
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Re: Ethnic Cleansing or inevitable Under then the Circumstan

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:30 pm

insan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
insan wrote:- 30.000 TCs became refugees from 1963 until 1967 and later 50.000 TCs became refugees in 1974-1975. 1/3 of TC community became refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

- 140.000 GCs became refugees from 1974 until 1977. 1/3 of GC community bacame refugees as a consequence of inter communal strife.

Was this situation the result of an ethnic cleansing plan or happened as a consequence of inter communal strife? Let's examine...

I highly tend to believe that population movements were inevitable under then the circumstances...



The actions - whether described as 'Baris Kuvvetleri' or invasion forces - of Turkey cannot be construed as 'intercommunal' strife. Am I wrong?


Deniz, if u can tell me some possible scenarios what would have happened if Turkish Peace Forces had not intervened after waiting and calling other concerned parties to take a joint action against the coupists for 5 days following the coup; I'll try to explain u whether the actions of TPF construed as intercommunal strife or a full stop to inter communal strife.


At the time, we were faced by an unknown danger. For all intensive purposes, as far as we were concerned the declaration of Enosis was inevitable. We had no idea which way the GC civil strife would turn. I do accept that under the circumstances the action of the TAF was justified as long as the promises/aims were adhered to. This was not so. It became an occupational army. Once the Legal Goverment was in control, the TA should have returned to 'barracks'. Ofcourse this was made difficult by the combined efforts of the GC's and their fighting forces, but the occupation should not have turned into 'ethnic cleansing.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:30 pm

Paphitis wrote:The coup was conducted by Greek Cypriot nationalists and was supported by the Greek Junta.

Why are you blaming others for the action of our own people?

Greece is 100% responsible for the attack on Cyprus and there’s nothing you or any other Greek nationalist traitor, can do or say to change that as it’s LOCKED in history now.
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