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[jesus]

Why cant whatever happened in the past be forgotten and go on as two different countries on one island?

Why is it that when a solution is seeked; first thing that comes to people's minds is swapping properties and land; uniting the island in some fancy form; making people refugees again?

[metecyp]

Obviously, you're not familiar with the Cyprus problem and its complexities. Why don't you read a little more about Cyprus problem, observe some discussions, and then start your own thread?

[jesus]

I am sorry but you are wrong. I did live in Cyprus for 6 years and somehow I managed to learn some stuff.

I think you did not understand the motive of my question; or maybe I didn't make it clear.

Let me re-phrase:

Basically, what I meant was why do we have to get stuck with unfortunate incidents those took place in the past...

[cannedmoose]

I think it's a fair question mete. Often on this forum we propose solutions involving a single unitary state, bicommunal entity etc. While I personally favour either of these solutions, we must recognise that there are some people for whom a 'one country, two states' system is the preferred option. I know it's unacceptable to many, but it's still worth exploring nonetheless.

[JustAnAmerican]

I seek the answer to the question also. There will be not be any reunification not 5 years and probably not in 10. So why not move forward, compensate the affected and think forward toward turning Cyprus into the agricultural, economic, trade, and tourist hub of the Eastern Med, where all Cypriots benefit.

[jesus]

gangrene is often treated by amputating;

how many years has it been since negotiations started? and how much has been solved? Is this stage helping anyone? is it compensating any losses? Do you believe that the problem will ever be solved?

Please answer these questions and tell me that "a two states" solution is not worth trying!

[Alexis]

The first question to ask (or which will inevitably be asked) is:

What will the boundary between the two states be?

This goes straight to the heart of the two state issue. I think a lot of people will be happy with this arrangement as long as this question is answered to their satisfaction. And that's the problem, most GCs will only be happy with this solution if there is a dramatic reduction in the size of the TC state, conversely most TC would be unhappy with this arrangement not least because it will mean more refugees but also because it makes the TC state less economically viable.
So immediately we can see one issue that would arise from such a proposal.

Of course I am biased towards having some kind of union, that's not to say that this solution couldn't work.

[Dhavlos]

There is one main problem with a two state solution:

If there were two states, operating, as many beleive should happen within the EU and UN. This would inevitabley mean that GCs could live in the North, without restriction...due to human rights etc...

THis would mean inevitably that the TC state would become 'overrun' with GCs, who may buy back their properties, or go to live again in their villages, and could not be stopped because if they were restricted, one could say it was against their human rights/freedom of movement...then they could essentially 'govern' within the local elections etc...

So, unless there are restrictions, which could not really happen in the 'two-state' idea, i think it would not really work at all.

(i am biased towards reunification, not partition)

[jesus]

Obviously more suffering will take place and mor esacrifices are needed to be made.

This is my opinion:
The boundaires should be left as they are.

GC's will say :
those lands belonged to us.
then Turks will say:
They belonged to us in the first place during the Ottoman rule.
then the British might say:
We owned the island after the ottoman rule so it should be given back to us.

This could go on forever. We can go as far back as Adam and Eve. And if everyone left their lands to their original owners; Turks would end up around Mongolia, and since it is belived that the mankind spreaded to earth from Africa, we all might as well go back to Africa.

So I think everything should be left as it is; and whatever is lost must be forgotten. Not always there are two winners, sometimes one side must loose.

[Dhavlos]

Jesus...

I think your idea is good, but the problem is that if there are two states, under the Eu, then freedom of movement will almost definately end in the North becoming overrun with GCs who have bought back their old properties, or near their properties. The TCs will be left with nothing again.

The problem, sadly is too complicated for a simple two state solution