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Why Can't there be two separate countries?

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Kifeas » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:01 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas you are twisting words to suit your means and distorting what contributors are really trying to say, this to me reveals your true colours about riding the island of TCs which was a 1960 ideal.
TCs only refer to compensation for GCs if it is beyond a realistic possiblity for that individual to get back what they owned pre 1974, we never dictate that that individual should be paid off and told to leave the island where he belongs, why do you do this????


Viewpoint!
Relax and take it easy!
I am not twisting anyone’s words to suit my means. The only word’s twisting is the one taking place in your mind. You have this habit of jumping into a discussion, exactly like a rooster jumping up into the middle of a two cocks fight, without fully understanding what has been the purpose of the “fight” and what was at stake in the first place.

If you was not lazy enough and have bothered to read and consolidate the entire thread from the beginning, you should have understood that what Jesus and JustAnAmerican were suggesting, was the establishment of two separate and presumably recognised States based on the present status quo, and compensate the GCs for all their lost properties in the north. This was more or less their idea in a nutshell!

Instead of commenting on their idea, I suggested a different, more logical and fairer idea, imo.

I was not referring to compensations in any other context, such as under a solution based on a BBF, etc.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:20 pm

After an agree interim period and building of trust this can be reviewed and if both sides agree can be adjusted along the lines of other countires within the EU.

I agree with interim periods too. I agree that we can not get from 0 to 10 in one day, thats obvious.

Where I disagree is the "if both sides agree" part. If the TCs get a lot more than what they deserve, then tell me why they will later agree to get less? It is obvious that they will not do such think voluntarily, isn't it?
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:57 am

Kifeas read my post again please and try and understand what I am saying.

You and other GCs always state lets compensate TCs and tell them to leave Cyprus we never do that as we all belong here, thats the point Im trying to make.

Your tone is not apprricated, try getting off your high horse once and a while without using words that can also be taken as insulting.

eg,1.The only word’s twisting is the one taking place in your mind.
2.If you was not lazy enough .

you should take your own advise "Relax and take it easy! "
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:09 am

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Where I disagree is the "if both sides agree" part. If the TCs get a lot more than what they deserve, then tell me why they will later agree to get less? It is obvious that they will not do such think voluntarily, isn't it?


Works both way Piratis you may not want to change certain issues as voting rights for GCs in TCCS or moving to live in the North, but if trust and goodwill and prosperity showed us that we could all live together then numbers and limits would no longer be necessary.

are you afraid that our worst fears will be realised and GCs will try to reduce us to minorty status in our own country and take measures that would make TCs not want to relax intial limits??? If you are confident that GC will not do anything determental of TCs interests then you have nothing to fear, TCs will no longe have anything to fear.
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Postby magikthrill » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:58 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
If you are confident that GC will not do anything determental of TCs interests then you have nothing to fear, TCs will no longe have anything to fear.


Viewpoint you say this as if TCs opinions are solely based on the attitude of GCs. This is OBVIOUSLY not the case. GC and TC opinions are based on those of their politicians - the RoC and then TC administration and Turkey respectively.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:09 pm

magikthrill ım not being clear when i refer to "GC will not do anything determental of TCs interests" Im referring to "RoC" politicians.
I still believe that if mutual trust was built up many issues would be much easier to resolve but neither side appears to be able to take the first step.
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Postby Γι& » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:01 am

When i hear "jesus" speak it reminds me of TV cooking programs where they say that the ingredient is "this" one but if you dont have you could always use the other one.....so simple.
And my god...you lived in Cyprus for 6 years?.....then you are a historian....get a life, go and polish your car or something.
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