Cyprus-Forum.com

[denizaksulu]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

Very well put Cymart.

[denizaksulu]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

[YFred]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

Deniz, although I would personally be happy if they just said where they buried the victims so they can be given a decent burial, the people who have the losses have the right to find out if they wish at least how they lost their relatives and an apology from the perpetrators.

[denizaksulu]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

Deniz, although I would personally be happy if they just said where they buried the victims so they can be given a decent burial, the people who have the losses have the right to find out if they wish at least how they lost their relatives and an apology from the perpetrators.

Right you are.

Lets begin with Solomou's murderer. We will be 'cleaning up our own house' then. At least we know the ID of that heroic murderer.

[YFred]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

Deniz, although I would personally be happy if they just said where they buried the victims so they can be given a decent burial, the people who have the losses have the right to find out if they wish at least how they lost their relatives and an apology from the perpetrators.

Right you are.

Lets begin with Solomou's murderer. We will be 'cleaning up our own house' then. At least we know the ID of that heroic murderer.

No Deniz, for it to work, all have to do it at the same time. They also know and have been giving cover to a lot more untouchables. The floor has to cleanded at the same time. It has to be process like the talks, not done on piece meal. Piece meal only serves the patitionists to milk it for everything and it will lead to partition.

[denizaksulu]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

Deniz, although I would personally be happy if they just said where they buried the victims so they can be given a decent burial, the people who have the losses have the right to find out if they wish at least how they lost their relatives and an apology from the perpetrators.

Right you are.

Lets begin with Solomou's murderer. We will be 'cleaning up our own house' then. At least we know the ID of that heroic murderer.

No Deniz, for it to work, all have to do it at the same time. They also know and have been giving cover to a lot more untouchables. The floor has to cleanded at the same time. It has to be process like the talks, not done on piece meal. Piece meal only serves the patitionists to milk it for everything and it will lead to partition.

My way of thinking (feel free to disagree) is that the one who goes first will shame the others to follow. Otherwise it will be like your CLOSED thread and end up in a mess with no one budging.

[YFred]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

Deniz, although I would personally be happy if they just said where they buried the victims so they can be given a decent burial, the people who have the losses have the right to find out if they wish at least how they lost their relatives and an apology from the perpetrators.

Right you are.

Lets begin with Solomou's murderer. We will be 'cleaning up our own house' then. At least we know the ID of that heroic murderer.

No Deniz, for it to work, all have to do it at the same time. They also know and have been giving cover to a lot more untouchables. The floor has to cleanded at the same time. It has to be process like the talks, not done on piece meal. Piece meal only serves the patitionists to milk it for everything and it will lead to partition.

My way of thinking (feel free to disagree) is that the one who goes first will shame the others to follow. Otherwise it will be like your CLOSED thread and end up in a mess with no one budging.

You should know that these people have no conscience on either side, embarrassing them to move against the untouchables Deniz? Yeah and pigs will fly. Do we have pigs of the animal kind in the north for the occasion? Just in case in happens not that I am thinking it will.

[denizaksulu]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

Deniz, although I would personally be happy if they just said where they buried the victims so they can be given a decent burial, the people who have the losses have the right to find out if they wish at least how they lost their relatives and an apology from the perpetrators.

Right you are.

Lets begin with Solomou's murderer. We will be 'cleaning up our own house' then. At least we know the ID of that heroic murderer.

No Deniz, for it to work, all have to do it at the same time. They also know and have been giving cover to a lot more untouchables. The floor has to cleanded at the same time. It has to be process like the talks, not done on piece meal. Piece meal only serves the patitionists to milk it for everything and it will lead to partition.

My way of thinking (feel free to disagree) is that the one who goes first will shame the others to follow. Otherwise it will be like your CLOSED thread and end up in a mess with no one budging.

You should know that these people have no conscience on either side, embarrassing them to move against the untouchables Deniz? Yeah and pigs will fly. Do we have pigs of the animal kind in the north for the occasion? Just in case in happens not that I am thinking it will.

I said I'll make a bad politician.

Goodnight

[YFred]

If a person is born in the USA I would consider them American.I was born in England but my father was born in Poland and my mother in Ireland and they have been living in England since they were very young.So what does that make me?Officially English but I can't say I feel English and I have been away from there for 30 years and also worked and lived in several other countries.
Nationalism and resentment,while understandable in some circumstances-your own being perhaps one example, are also very dangerous emotions which have led to some terrible events in the history of the world,Cyprus being no exception.
Whoever lives in Kyrenia today almost certainly was not responsible for your recent family history,any more than the Turkish guy who owns the restaurant where you live now probably was?
Most of my fathers relatives who stayed in Poland were probably murdered by either the Nazis or the Soviets,yet we do not go around with a grudge against all Germans and Russians and in fact I have visited and lived and worked in both Germany and Russia.Whatever happened,no body can turn back the clock and bring back the people we lost and I believe that the best we can do in their memory is to concentrate our efforts in making sure such things don't happen again,rather than look for revenge against people who themselves are not guilty.
Here in Cyprus a shining example is that of the Journalist Sevgul Uludag and her constant efforts to help the familes of missing persons here from 1963 and onwards on both sides.She has investigated cases personally and then passed them onto the official committee who are working towards finding the fate of all missing persons.She has reconciled both Greek and Turkish Cypriot familes by enabling them to meet and share their grief and also describe instances where people from each community found ways to help each other under very adverse and often dangerous circumstances.
If you wish I can give you her e-mail address and mobile phone number and you can contact her in English to see if she can help you with your own case.
To err is human but to forgive is Holy....

It is so hard to forgive when the person who you want to forgive does not want to own up to anything he has done!!

Forgiveness should be unconditional.

Deniz, although I would personally be happy if they just said where they buried the victims so they can be given a decent burial, the people who have the losses have the right to find out if they wish at least how they lost their relatives and an apology from the perpetrators.

Right you are.

Lets begin with Solomou's murderer. We will be 'cleaning up our own house' then. At least we know the ID of that heroic murderer.

No Deniz, for it to work, all have to do it at the same time. They also know and have been giving cover to a lot more untouchables. The floor has to cleanded at the same time. It has to be process like the talks, not done on piece meal. Piece meal only serves the patitionists to milk it for everything and it will lead to partition.

My way of thinking (feel free to disagree) is that the one who goes first will shame the others to follow. Otherwise it will be like your CLOSED thread and end up in a mess with no one budging.

You should know that these people have no conscience on either side, embarrassing them to move against the untouchables Deniz? Yeah and pigs will fly. Do we have pigs of the animal kind in the north for the occasion? Just in case in happens not that I am thinking it will.

I said I'll make a bad politician.

Goodnight

No Deniz, you will never make a politician. You are not selfish enough.
Sleep well.