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[Viewpoint]

The Republic of Turkey also formally accepted the loss of Cyprus (which was "rented" to the British Empire following the Congress of Berlin in 1878

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne

The Ottomans may have gone but the TCs are still here and we have just as much stake in this island as you do.

[paliometoxo]

yes i did not say the tcs dont have any say on the island.
i am talking about turkey who brings settlers onto the island and has basically has all the say that goes on in the north. im saying the tcs have the rights and turkey has none.. tcs who have been over run by mainland turks in cyprus.

turkey needs to back off and stfu and allow a solution .. and by solution not two states.. army out of cyprus settlers home to turkey and re unified land where the tcs and gcs live together under one republic of cyprus state where both gcs and tcs have equal say and same rights.

[Get Real!]

The Republic of Turkey also formally accepted the loss of Cyprus (which was "rented" to the British Empire following the Congress of Berlin in 1878

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne

The Ottomans may have gone but the TCs are still here and we have just as much stake in this island as you do.

Correction: You mean a severely reduced number of TCs overwhelmed by a huge number of Turkish foreigners.

We don't want your baggage VP... sort your problem out first.

[repulsewarrior]

its not big enough for two states....

its intresting turkey demands so much for their minority yet they dont even allow their own minority to have their language taught in schools and treat them like they are not humans.. they are hypocrites

U keep talking about Turkey .... it is only excuse from u to use it .

what i care we were equal partner at republic up to morning of 21St December 1963 . There was a one state at that time . Since that mornig TC's were ruled by their own adminstration.

we were not at minority statue at republic .... let me remind u once more again as long as your heads does not change about this dreams of u .... Time will come no can believe u about your Turkey blames.

im sure both sides can play the blame game forever and hold a grudge but at the end of the day the talks will fail becasse talat and turkey are demanding two states and saying thats what the solution to the cy problem is and thats the reason they are sitting at the table to bring a new partnership state to cyprus..

while christofiaqs is saying we are talking to re unite cyprus and have one state.. how will talks ever succeed like this? are they just sitting at the table nodding and agreeing to everything then to the press say completely different things

Just to remind u Palio what they were agreed in March .......... They agreed front of the UN and world .and they declare it front of the world press .

March agreement.
They reaffirmed their commitment to a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a Federal Government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.


And i am personaly behind above declaration .............. and that is what Talat is always after it .

not entirely true Halil, because if Talat was a supporter of this declaration as you say, he would be demanding from his confrere the foundation of a Constituency like his own (which at present is lacking) for Greek Cypriots, so that a Federal government can exist, free of its present bias, with the objective of protecting the Rights of all Citizens, as Cypriots, as equals and as Individuals.

[Kikapu]

Just to remind u Palio what they were agreed in March .......... They agreed front of the UN and world .and they declare it front of the world press .

March agreement.
They reaffirmed their commitment to a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a Federal Government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.


And i am personaly behind above declaration .............. and that is what Talat is always after it .

Thank you Halil for digging that joint statement out, it clearly states the parameters which GCs want to forget.

I don't see anywhere where it says that they will be the founding states as you have claimed, VP and I do not believe this statement can replace the UN resolution agreed already which is what it is being used for a settlement. I believe the above statement posted by Halil, was to be the basic principles of how the settlement was going to look like. What the above could very easily mean, is exactly as I made my BBF plan that you are so against. The above plan does not prevent freedom of movement, loss of property by anyone, and they will be equal at the upper house level as the system is in the USA. Kifeas was upset for a moment when this came out before he realised that the term Constituent State has more than one definition and it does not mean to be an independent Constituent State. Once the above is defined in a True Federation way, you are looking at what my BBF plan gives as well as what is in Germany, Switzerland and Australia if I'm not mistaken. The only difference is the states being defined as TC and GC states, which I think it should be changed to two different names , like Tom & Jerry.! :lol:

I also believe that's what Obama was saying when he visited Turkey early this year, that Cyprus must reunify under UN resolutions on BBF, which cannot be much different than what he also believes to be a system very similar to the USA, I’m sure, but I would like to know from you and Halil just what is it that you understand as to what the above means exactly that Talat also thinks it should mean something different. What exactly.? You guys never say anything, except to call all other plans as capitulation. But before you answer, it most certainly does not mean a independent two states like North and South Korea, but more like North and South Carolina in the USA.

[Christine Toskos]

Don't partition Cyprus. Partition Turkey: The Greek zone} Constantinople, Pontia, Symrna, etc. Armenian zone, The Georgian zone, The Assyrian zone, The Kurdish zone and finally the Turkish zone. That is what the allies wanted back in 1918.

[paliometoxo]

yes partition turkey

[Christine Toskos]

In 1918 the allies almost partition Turkey. Too bad they changed their minds. We would have solved so many problems. Life in Cyprus would have been better off at least.

[paliometoxo]

In 1918 the allies almost partition Turkey. Too bad they changed their minds. We would have solved so many problems. Life in Cyprus would have been better off at least.

really? why did they change their minds/ they should of partitioned turkey

[Get Real!]

In 1918 the allies almost partition Turkey. Too bad they changed their minds. We would have solved so many problems. Life in Cyprus would have been better off at least.

They didn't change their minds out of good will... Greece got her arse kicked by Turkey so they had to scrap the Treaty of Sèvres!

So much for your "Greek education" or whatever the hell you're on about...