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[YFred]

A question I would like to ask the Turkish Cypriot members on the forum is; If tomorrow Turkish Cypriots felt safe in their position and requested that the Turkish Government Representatives and the Turkish Army to leave the Island do you think they would go? It may be a hypothetical question but a relevant one

If TCs feel safe, this means all differences with GCs were sorted out. In such a case; Turkish troops would withdraw... but this does not mean there wouldn't be any defence agreement or military cooperation between Cypriot national guard and TAF. Which country could provide a better protection to Cyprus than Turkey?(Assuming all differences with Turks were sorted out...)

are you serious? do you really believe they are there to protect Turkish Cypriots? And worse do you believe if we are allowed to reunify that Turkey would not want a base in Cyprus? Have you heard the speech of the Turkish Chief Staff who quite clearly says Turkey is in Cyprus for it's own interests?

No one said it will be easy. I think that in unified Cyprus if the TCs ask for Turkey to leave than it will be very hard for Turkey to resist in the long term. What if TC will not vote for such a proposition unless Turkey has a base in Cyprus.

Then what?
Inonu once said, we will come and protect you from the GCs, but who will protect you from us?
They may be there for their own purposes but even as a by product they do give TCs protection.

[insan]

A question I would like to ask the Turkish Cypriot members on the forum is; If tomorrow Turkish Cypriots felt safe in their position and requested that the Turkish Government Representatives and the Turkish Army to leave the Island do you think they would go? It may be a hypothetical question but a relevant one

If TCs feel safe, this means all differences with GCs were sorted out. In such a case; Turkish troops would withdraw... but this does not mean there wouldn't be any defence agreement or military cooperation between Cypriot national guard and TAF. Which country could provide a better protection to Cyprus than Turkey?(Assuming all differences with Turks were sorted out...)

are you serious? do you really believe they are there to protect Turkish Cypriots? And worse do you believe if we are allowed to reunify that Turkey would not want a base in Cyprus? Have you heard the speech of the Turkish Chief Staff who quite clearly says Turkey is in Cyprus for it's own interests?

Under current circumstances, of course they also look out Turkey's interests besides protecting TCs. I've already underlined it that I'm asuming all differences between TCs/Turks and GCs/Greeks were sorted out.

Since we have nothing to do with Hellenic interests; under current circumstances TC interests can be considered as Turkey's interests and vice versa.

[Tim Drayton]

Just a hypothetical question. Imagine that it was posible to have an entirely demilitarised island, with even the British bases gone. If then the two 'mothrlands' had the right to intervene militarily to protect 'their' people if they come under attack, how would that sound? After all, Turkey is closer so could get there quicker.

[bill cobbett]

A question I would like to ask the Turkish Cypriot members on the forum is; If tomorrow Turkish Cypriots felt safe in their position and requested that the Turkish Government Representatives and the Turkish Army to leave the Island do you think they would go? It may be a hypothetical question but a relevant one

If TCs feel safe, this means all differences with GCs were sorted out. In such a case; Turkish troops would withdraw... but this does not mean there wouldn't be any defence agreement or military cooperation between Cypriot national guard and TAF. Which country could provide a better protection to Cyprus than Turkey?(Assuming all differences with Turks were sorted out...)

are you serious? do you really believe they are there to protect Turkish Cypriots? And worse do you believe if we are allowed to reunify that Turkey would not want a base in Cyprus? Have you heard the speech of the Turkish Chief Staff who quite clearly says Turkey is in Cyprus for it's own interests?

No one said it will be easy. I think that in unified Cyprus if the TCs ask for Turkey to leave than it will be very hard for Turkey to resist in the long term. What if TC will not vote for such a proposition unless Turkey has a base in Cyprus.

Then what?
Inonu once said, we will come and protect you from the GCs, but who will protect you from us?
They may be there for their own purposes but even as a by product they do give TCs protection.

You really have lost the plot Freddie.

The Turkish Plot where the tissies are outnumbered 2 : 1 by the Illegals. They are there to protect Turkish Interests including matters of the TA in any "referendum".

Our tissy friends have no control of what happens in the Occupied Areas.

[YFred]

Just a hypothetical question. Imagine that it was posible to have an entirely demilitarised island, with even the British bases gone. If then the two 'mothrlands' had the right to intervene militarily to protect 'their' people if they come under attack, how would that sound? After all, Turkey is closer so could get there quicker.

Tim, thats all the TCs want and it should be acceptable to the GCs. But is it hell.
I am not a betting man but I bet not one GC will support it. Let us see?

[YFred]

A question I would like to ask the Turkish Cypriot members on the forum is; If tomorrow Turkish Cypriots felt safe in their position and requested that the Turkish Government Representatives and the Turkish Army to leave the Island do you think they would go? It may be a hypothetical question but a relevant one

If TCs feel safe, this means all differences with GCs were sorted out. In such a case; Turkish troops would withdraw... but this does not mean there wouldn't be any defence agreement or military cooperation between Cypriot national guard and TAF. Which country could provide a better protection to Cyprus than Turkey?(Assuming all differences with Turks were sorted out...)

are you serious? do you really believe they are there to protect Turkish Cypriots? And worse do you believe if we are allowed to reunify that Turkey would not want a base in Cyprus? Have you heard the speech of the Turkish Chief Staff who quite clearly says Turkey is in Cyprus for it's own interests?

No one said it will be easy. I think that in unified Cyprus if the TCs ask for Turkey to leave than it will be very hard for Turkey to resist in the long term. What if TC will not vote for such a proposition unless Turkey has a base in Cyprus.

Then what?
Inonu once said, we will come and protect you from the GCs, but who will protect you from us?
They may be there for their own purposes but even as a by product they do give TCs protection.

You really have lost the plot Freddie.

The Turkish Plot where the tissies are outnumbered 2 : 1 by the Illegals. They are there to protect Turkish Interests including matters of the TA in any "referendum".

Our tissy friends have no control of what happens in the Occupied Areas.

One must find the plot before accusing another of losing the plot Bill. How do you explain the fact that TC Parliament is full of TCs?
Does Turkey tell the settlers what to do. The settlers are not one united entity. They themselves are even smaller groups then the TCs. That is the only explanation which makes sense and explains the reality of TRNC. TCs are in control subject to them checking they are not stepping on Turkey's toes. The settlers are not in the equation until there is a vote on referendum. Then they will have a say but again not in a united way. Everyone to their interests.

[Tim Drayton]

A question I would like to ask the Turkish Cypriot members on the forum is; If tomorrow Turkish Cypriots felt safe in their position and requested that the Turkish Government Representatives and the Turkish Army to leave the Island do you think they would go? It may be a hypothetical question but a relevant one

If TCs feel safe, this means all differences with GCs were sorted out. In such a case; Turkish troops would withdraw... but this does not mean there wouldn't be any defence agreement or military cooperation between Cypriot national guard and TAF. Which country could provide a better protection to Cyprus than Turkey?(Assuming all differences with Turks were sorted out...)

are you serious? do you really believe they are there to protect Turkish Cypriots? And worse do you believe if we are allowed to reunify that Turkey would not want a base in Cyprus? Have you heard the speech of the Turkish Chief Staff who quite clearly says Turkey is in Cyprus for it's own interests?

No one said it will be easy. I think that in unified Cyprus if the TCs ask for Turkey to leave than it will be very hard for Turkey to resist in the long term. What if TC will not vote for such a proposition unless Turkey has a base in Cyprus.

Then what?
Inonu once said, we will come and protect you from the GCs, but who will protect you from us?
They may be there for their own purposes but even as a by product they do give TCs protection.

You really have lost the plot Freddie.

The Turkish Plot where the tissies are outnumbered 2 : 1 by the Illegals. They are there to protect Turkish Interests including matters of the TA in any "referendum".

Our tissy friends have no control of what happens in the Occupied Areas.

One must find the plot before accusing another of losing the plot Bill. How do you explain the fact that TC Parliament is full of TCs?
Does Turkey tell the settlers what to do. The settlers are not one united entity. They themselves are even smaller groups then the TCs. That is the only explanation which makes sense and explains the reality of TRNC. TCs are in control subject to them checking they are not stepping on Turkey's toes. The settlers are not in the equation until there is a vote on referendum. Then they will have a say but again not in a united way. Everyone to their interests.

I thought somebody had worked out that the only institution over which the TRNC parliament had any effective control was the fire brigade.

I agree that the TRNC President and Prime-Minister are TCs, along with the majority of MPs, but for how much longer? With settlers outnumbering Turkish Cypriots by 2:1 it can only be a matter of time before we see the first Turkish-born president.

[YFred]

A question I would like to ask the Turkish Cypriot members on the forum is; If tomorrow Turkish Cypriots felt safe in their position and requested that the Turkish Government Representatives and the Turkish Army to leave the Island do you think they would go? It may be a hypothetical question but a relevant one

If TCs feel safe, this means all differences with GCs were sorted out. In such a case; Turkish troops would withdraw... but this does not mean there wouldn't be any defence agreement or military cooperation between Cypriot national guard and TAF. Which country could provide a better protection to Cyprus than Turkey?(Assuming all differences with Turks were sorted out...)

are you serious? do you really believe they are there to protect Turkish Cypriots? And worse do you believe if we are allowed to reunify that Turkey would not want a base in Cyprus? Have you heard the speech of the Turkish Chief Staff who quite clearly says Turkey is in Cyprus for it's own interests?

No one said it will be easy. I think that in unified Cyprus if the TCs ask for Turkey to leave than it will be very hard for Turkey to resist in the long term. What if TC will not vote for such a proposition unless Turkey has a base in Cyprus.

Then what?
Inonu once said, we will come and protect you from the GCs, but who will protect you from us?
They may be there for their own purposes but even as a by product they do give TCs protection.

You really have lost the plot Freddie.

The Turkish Plot where the tissies are outnumbered 2 : 1 by the Illegals. They are there to protect Turkish Interests including matters of the TA in any "referendum".

Our tissy friends have no control of what happens in the Occupied Areas.

One must find the plot before accusing another of losing the plot Bill. How do you explain the fact that TC Parliament is full of TCs?
Does Turkey tell the settlers what to do. The settlers are not one united entity. They themselves are even smaller groups then the TCs. That is the only explanation which makes sense and explains the reality of TRNC. TCs are in control subject to them checking they are not stepping on Turkey's toes. The settlers are not in the equation until there is a vote on referendum. Then they will have a say but again not in a united way. Everyone to their interests.

I thought somebody had worked out that the only institution over which the TRNC parliament had any effective control was the fire brigade.

I agree that the TRNC President and Prime-Minister are TCs, along with the majority of MPs, but for how much longer? With settlers outnumbering Turkish Cypriots by 2:1 it can only be a matter of time before we see the first Turkish-born president.

They are not united. It works on the same principle as UK. The conservative are outnumbered by the same amount at least and yet They have been in government 3 times as much as labour with the exception of Tony Blair’s term. It's called Politics and organisation. But I do really believe that they are too fragmented to be a real force against TCs. Of course if they realise that and decide to unite that’s another matter, but I doubt it. If that was the case all the conservatives in the world would be defeated by the workers. It just does not happen in the real world.

[Jimski999]

From a personal viewpoint I do believe that if the negotiations were directly between the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots there would have been a settlement by now though don’t think it is in Turkeys interests for a settlement to happen. From Turkey’s perspective it has to be seen by the International Community as the Greek Cypriots intransigence that causes the talks to fail and that is possibly why these unsettling statements (114,000 new citizens, no Morphu etc.) by members of the Turkish Government and right wing TC parties keep appearing on TV and in the press. If the talks fail Turkey will gain everything to the detriment of both Greek and Turkish Cypriots; Northern Cyprus will become either a province of or a puppet state of Turkey. From statements by the Turkish Army Generals they have no inntention of ever pulling out of Cyprus which contradicts the position of the Turkish Government.

[insan]

From a personal viewpoint I do believe that if the negotiations were directly between the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots there would have been a settlement by now though don’t think it is in Turkeys interests for a settlement to happen. From Turkey’s perspective it has to be seen by the International Community as the Greek Cypriots intransigence that causes the talks to fail and that is possibly why these unsettling statements (114,000 new citizens, no Morphu etc.) by members of the Turkish Government and right wing TC parties keep appearing on TV and in the press. If the talks fail Turkey will gain everything to the detriment of both Greek and Turkish Cypriots; Northern Cyprus will become either a province of or a puppet state of Turkey. From statements by the Turkish Army Generals they have no inntention of ever pulling out of Cyprus which contradicts the position of the Turkish Government.

From the very first day Turkey withdraws from Cyprus and let TCs to do whatever they wish to do; would lead an intercommunal strife. 4000 TC national guard and some 50.000 TC reservists would not be adequate to protect the cease fire line against 13.000 GC national guard and some 130.000 GC reservists.

Cyprus problem is a common national cause for TCs and Turkey. Overwhelming majority of TCs support the basic parameters of solution and those basic parameters were determined by TCs and Turkey.

There's no need for TRNC being a puppet state because there r no dissidences between the GOT and GOTRNC.