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[souroul]

good article

so how do TCs roaming the forums feel about the settlers?

(opinions of certain people will not be taken into consideration for obvious reasons)

[insan]

I find it insulting, and reflective of the self-interested attitude the TCs have displayed during the course of our joint-histories, that it is not the fact that bringing settlers here is morally and legally wrong, but what bothers the TCs is the "quality" of the Settlers which are proving unlike the "pure Turks" the TCs were expecting but from such groups as Alevis and Kurds.

Once more shame on you TCs for betraying Cyprus. Contrary to Alkan Chaglar's views, it seem Turkey "knows" the TCs very well.

How many times have the TCs helped the GCs improve Cyprus?

They didn't help in removing the British in the 50's; they didn't help improve the constitution to a more democratic one in the 60's; they didn't help against the coup and Turkish invasion in the 70's; they didn't help against a putative partition of our country in the 80's with the "formation" of the "trnc"; they didn't help our country by preventing the sale of GC homes in the 90's ..... and now they want us to help them, not because we or Cyprus mean anything to them, but because they don't like their prospects amongst the backward "races" mama Turkey is sending over to baby-sit them ...

Please allow our President to sort this mess out without creating another one by implying these settlers are now Cypriots!

You forgot the most important bit....We didn't help to bring about ENOSIS......

Oracle is not aware of anything at all. She has no knowledge how TCs contributed foundation of RoC, reunification of 2 ideologic groups of GCs that were killing and oppressing each other(1955-1960 and 1971-1974), fall of Junta... These r all happened as a consequence of TCs counter actions against Enosis and GC domination...

In the last 50 years Greeks and GCs benefitted from the consequences of the events took place in Cyprus but everytime TCs and Turkey paid the price. Why? Just for the sake of keeping Greece in NATO and maintaining the stability of NATO. Enogh is enough! We r at the end of the road...

[Oracle]

I find it insulting, and reflective of the self-interested attitude the TCs have displayed during the course of our joint-histories, that it is not the fact that bringing settlers here is morally and legally wrong, but what bothers the TCs is the "quality" of the Settlers which are proving unlike the "pure Turks" the TCs were expecting but from such groups as Alevis and Kurds.

Once more shame on you TCs for betraying Cyprus. Contrary to Alkan Chaglar's views, it seem Turkey "knows" the TCs very well.

How many times have the TCs helped the GCs improve Cyprus?

They didn't help in removing the British in the 50's; they didn't help improve the constitution to a more democratic one in the 60's; they didn't help against the coup and Turkish invasion in the 70's; they didn't help against a putative partition of our country in the 80's with the "formation" of the "trnc"; they didn't help our country by preventing the sale of GC homes in the 90's ..... and now they want us to help them, not because we or Cyprus mean anything to them, but because they don't like their prospects amongst the backward "races" mama Turkey is sending over to baby-sit them ...

Please allow our President to sort this mess out without creating another one by implying these settlers are now Cypriots!

You forgot the most important bit....We didn't help to bring about ENOSIS......

It wasn't up to you or of your doing. You merely made it more difficult to get rid of the Brits and it is the fault of the TCs the casualties on ALL sides were greater.

[Hermes]

This is great. The T/Cs will finally rise up against their Turkish oppressors and demand freedom, an end to the occupation and the removal of settlers. What the bloody hell has taken them so long? Just one word of advice: hurry up before there's none of you left.

[YFred]

This is great. The T/Cs will finally rise up against their Turkish oppressors and demand freedom, an end to the occupation and the removal of settlers. What the bloody hell has taken them so long? Just one word of advice: hurry up before there's none of you left.

I haven't noticed shackles being removed by the RoC yet, or have missed the news. It's very hard to fight when you are shackled, unless of course RoC is in cahoots with Turkey going behind everyone’s back.

[Hermes]

I haven't noticed shackles being removed by the RoC yet, or have missed the news. It's very hard to fight when you are shackled, unless of course RoC is in cahoots with Turkey going behind everyone’s back.

I'm confused. How are the G/Cs responsible for the settlers in northern Cyprus? Believe me, the G/Cs would like to ship them all back to Anatolia as well. Just tell us what we can do to help.

[YFred]

I haven't noticed shackles being removed by the RoC yet, or have missed the news. It's very hard to fight when you are shackled, unless of course RoC is in cahoots with Turkey going behind everyone’s back.

I'm confused. How are the G/Cs responsible for the settlers in northern Cyprus? Believe me, the G/Cs would like to ship them all back to Anatolia as well. Just tell us what we can do to help.

It's quite simple really, so long as TCs are economically shackled to Turkey with the key in the RoC hands how exactly did you expect the TCs to rise to anything?
You know it makes sense.

[Hermes]

It's quite simple really, so long as TCs are economically shackled to Turkey with the key in the RoC hands how exactly did you expect the TCs to rise to anything?
You know it makes sense.

That's a pretty lame excuse for doing nothing. Besides, we've given you passports, free health care and jobs in the free areas. Come on, guys, we're with you on this one. First the settlers out then the Turkish troops.

YFred, I'll see you on the barricades...

[YFred]

It's quite simple really, so long as TCs are economically shackled to Turkey with the key in the RoC hands how exactly did you expect the TCs to rise to anything?
You know it makes sense.

That's a pretty lame excuse for doing nothing. Besides, we've given you passports, free health care and jobs in the free areas. Come on, guys, we're with you on this one. First the settlers out then the Turkish troops.

YFred, I'll see you on the barricades...

When the peace movement started and there was only 4 to 5 thousand attending the meeting to open the crossings, YFred clan was well represented but to cut of ties with Turkey as we stand, is suicide and we didn't survive these centuries committing suicide. Shackles off first sir, other wise you have to free us. Sorry.

[Hermes]

When the peace movement started and there was only 4 to 5 thousand attending the meeting to open the crossings, YFred clan was well represented but to cut of ties with Turkey as we stand, is suicide and we didn't survive these centuries committing suicide. Shackles off first sir, other wise you have to free us. Sorry.

By "shackles" do you mean how Turkey has in the past prevented Turkish Cypriots from acquiring Cyprus Republic passports, identity cards and other documents, which facilitate travel and other activities in Cyprus and abroad and allow Turkish Cypriots to enjoy EU benefits and consular protection in third countries.

By "shackles" do you mean how low-paid settlers from Turkey pushed Turkish Cypriots out of their own labour market causing much of their relative economic deprivation.

By "shackles" do you mean how Turkey introduced the Turkish lira in the occupied areas in 1983, causing high inflation and other serious economic and social problems and exposed Turkish Cypriots to the problems of the Turkish economy.

By "shackles" do you mean how Turkey has controlled the economy of the north through conditional aid, direct instructions and management, creating an inefficient system.

By "shackles" do you mean how Turkey has since 1980 been behind the rejection by Turkish Cypriot leaders of confidence-building measures, including several on trade, because, although ending the “isolation”, such measures would not promote international recognition.

By "shackles" do you mean how Turkey created the illegal ‘state’ in northern Cyprus that led to European Court of Justice decisions, which have determined restrictions on exports, and which prevents the implementation of the EU acquis.

By "shackles" do you mean how the invitation to the Turkish Cypriot community to join the Cyprus delegation in EU accession negotiations was turned down.

By "shackles" do you mean how the Turkish Cypriot leadership, backed by Ankara, refuses to implement many measures, including parts of the Green Line regulation for political reasons, depriving Turkish Cypriots of significant economic benefits.

By "shackles" do you mean how the Turkish side is holding out for external “direct trade”, an idea not promoted by economic considerations, but as a political goal.

By "shackles" do you mean how the government has always extended to Turkish Cypriots a number of essential services, including free supply of electricity, pensions and social security benefits.

By "shackles" do you mean how the government also proposed and strongly supported the EU financial assistance to benefit Turkish Cypriots. However, there were efforts to attach political stipulations to its release.

By "shackles" do you mean how the substantial increase in economic activity and trade across the ceasefire line since 2003 has helped double the per capita income of Turkish Cypriots in recent years.

By "shackles" do you mean how the government has been better able to provide services to Turkish Cypriots since the partial lifting in 2003 of restrictions imposed by the Turkish side.

By "shackles" do you mean how Turkish Cypriots are now working, in increasing numbers, in the government-controlled areas and enjoy a range of benefits, including free medical care.

By "shackles" do you mean how the T/C economy has benefited from the crossings by Greek Cypriots and foreign tourists to the north.

Oh, those "shackles".

Like I said, I'll see you on the barricades...