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[Paphitis]

His role is one of arbitration and nothing more. He has no authority to go beyond his scope as an arbitrator or negotiations facilitator.

Wasn't that the case with Desoto also? Then all of a sudden we got the Annan Plan.

I can still remember him displaying a pen and a little black book to reporters after the first meeting between Tpap and Denktas.

No, that was not the case with Desoto.

The Annan Plan was authored by Desoto and the UN as a "solution" for Cyprus.

These talks are somewhat different. The UN will just sit back and allow the 2 leaders to develop and negotiate THEIR own solution (if possible) to the Cyprus Problem which they hope will be accepted by both communities at a future referendum.

However, as pointed out by Nikitas, Turkey is nullifying Talat's power to negotiate anything, which obviously means that these talks are not really peace negotiations but capitulation talks as far as Turkey is concerned. The talks will no doubt collapse, so it is probably important that Christofias just drags the process out until Eroglu takes over, because then the blame will quite likely switch to Turkey and the UBP Party.

That's the game being played by sneaky Chris but what if Turkey and Eroglu r aware of the game and hunt Chris while he sets up for hunting them?

I think you will find that he genuinely wants to unify Cyprus, but the games and antics from Turkey leave him with no other choice, as Turkey's terms are not acceptable.

The key to a solution is in Ankara, and Talat is powerless to negotiate anything. It is Turkey's unacceptable demands which will lead to the collapse of the talks, and we will do everything in our power to ensure that Turkey is blamed for their eventual collapse.

Christofias is just a player under pressure of what he inheritted from his predecessors. He perforce fights for the common national interests of Greeks and GCs... Maybe his personal opinions r a bit different but perforce he fights for the national interests... and that nation is not the so-called Cypriot nation but Greek nation...

I can't understand how he dare accusing Talat by claiming that Talat didn't act like a Cypriot. Ridiculous old boy, Christofias!

Just because that is the case with you Turks, it does not mean it is the same with Christofias.

President Christofias is only fighting for his Cypriot nation and no one else. Greece's interests don't even come into play, because Greece plays an extremely minimalist role in Cypriot affairs.

To us, Greece is just and ally and fellow EU nation. Greece does not have any interests in Cyprus and seems very ready to abandon any Treaty Guarantees to the state in order to respect the Cypriot nations desire for independence.

It seems you Turks are always looking to involve Greece in your games, but it apperars that Greece is no longer interested and has taken a step back, something Turkey refuses to do!

Insan wrote:

Keep trying to create impressions to hide the obvious.

What are you talking about? Greece only offers support and does not fantasise about projecting power in the Middle East.

Insan wrote:

It won't work. Since when there has been a Cypriot nation in Cyprus?

Since 1960.

Insan wrote:

Ask Chris this question next time u meet with him... Today, the player of Hellenic side is Chris, tomorrow will be someone else...

Christofias is a Cypriot like me.

Insan wrote:

The fact is, all perforce fight for their own national interests...

Our national interest if for a united Cyprus with no external influences.

Who's interests are you trying to satisfy?

Insan wrote:

it was just a few years ago when TPapa called GCs as "Greeks of Cyprus"...

We are Greek Cypriots. So what?

What does this have to do with Greek interests? This is just a ethnic identifier, but we still want to be truly independent.

Insan wrote:

u r like chameleons I guess...

And you are just a repressed Turk still unable to walk upright...

Insan wrote:

in every 5 or so years u change ur nationality...

Our nationality is Cypriot.

Insan wrote:

How it suits! Keep playing! Until when? We have already come to the end of the road... no way out...

We don't play games when it comes to our national interests (Cyprus).

What games are you playing on Turkey's behalf? Do you still have fantasies about the Turkish speaking people joing a Turkic Confederation with Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Turkmenistan?

What a joke!

[Gregory]

Maximalist positions put forward by one part get the same response from the other. This is inevitable to happen. We want all the settlers to go, all the refugees to return, the Turkish army to leave and no guarantees. What we want is something better than the 1959 Constitution.

May God have pity on our people, as Lenox Boyd said to Makarios in 1956.

Seems to me the UN must be one great big group of maximalists:

- Everyone returns to their own homes (Right to own and enjoy property)
- All settlers to be repatriated (Importing illegal settlers in occupied territory is a recognised war crime by the UN)
- Occupation troops to be withdrawn (numerous UN resolutions calling for this)
- No Guarantees (are you kidding me? After 74 you'd put your neck through the noose again?)

If we're calling basic rights (that people in developing nations are now enjoying and taking for granted) as maximalist positions then we're doomed. Are you even a Turkish Cypriot or are you just a Turkish settler looking to legitimise your stay on our island?

[Oracle]

Maximalist positions put forward by one part get the same response from the other. This is inevitable to happen. We want all the settlers to go, all the refugees to return, the Turkish army to leave and no guarantees. What we want is something better than the 1959 Constitution.

May God have pity on our people, as Lenox Boyd said to Makarios in 1956.

Seems to me the UN must be one great big group of maximalists:

- Everyone returns to their own homes (Right to own and enjoy property)
- All settlers to be repatriated (Importing illegal settlers in occupied territory is a recognised war crime by the UN)
- Occupation troops to be withdrawn (numerous UN resolutions calling for this)
- No Guarantees (are you kidding me? After 74 you'd put your neck through the noose again?)

If we're calling basic rights (that people in developing nations are now enjoying and taking for granted) as maximalist positions then we're doomed. Are you even a Turkish Cypriot or are you just a Turkish settler looking to legitimise your stay on our island?

[insan]

Maximalist positions put forward by one part get the same response from the other. This is inevitable to happen. We want all the settlers to go, all the refugees to return, the Turkish army to leave and no guarantees. What we want is something better than the 1959 Constitution.

May God have pity on our people, as Lenox Boyd said to Makarios in 1956.

Seems to me the UN must be one great big group of maximalists:

True! Just check the recent UN resolution regarding the return of displaced Georgian refugees... and go back to foundation of Israel state to understand how UN and it's members perceive democracy and human rights...

[YFred]

Maximalist positions put forward by one part get the same response from the other. This is inevitable to happen. We want all the settlers to go, all the refugees to return, the Turkish army to leave and no guarantees. What we want is something better than the 1959 Constitution.

May God have pity on our people, as Lenox Boyd said to Makarios in 1956.

Seems to me the UN must be one great big group of maximalists:

True! Just check the recent UN resolution regarding the return of displaced Georgian refugees... and go back to foundation of Israel state to understand how UN and it's members perceive democracy and human rights...

You must not forget to mention how Cyprus voted for the Georgians to be allowed to go back to their homes.
Insan you are slipping.

[Bananiot]

Well Gregory, it is all very nice to be a great patriot, but you need to tell me how we will imlement those UN resolutions. Only this week the UN Secretary General called upon the two sides to negotiate hard and take the middle road. You do understand what this means I suppose.

Then there is this little issue where a country that spits on the UN Security Council resolutions is elected as a non permanent member of the Security Council. This might help you understand a thing or two, I suppose.

Perhaps, if you were to look at the situation a little bit more closely, you will realise that depite the resolutions, all international organisations (UN, EU etc) are calling on us to find a compromise solution which inevidably will include much of what the other side is asking.

Considering all these you might begin to understand why harbouring maximalist positions will not serve you properly, especially when you are a weak minnow (that roars like a lion). This is of course the direct path to calamity and super so called patriots that are calling us to commit suicide are really the ame people who since the early 50's are engaged in destroying Cyprus in the name of greekness then and basic human rights now.

[YFred]

Well Gregory, it is all very nice to be a great patriot, but you need to tell me how we will imlement those UN resolutions. Only this week the UN Secretary General called upon the two sides to negotiate hard and take the middle road. You do understand what this means I suppose.

Then there is this little issue where a country that spits on the UN Security Council resolutions is elected as a non permanent member of the Security Council. This might help you understand a thing or two, I suppose.

Perhaps, if you were to look at the situation a little bit more closely, you will realise that depite the resolutions, all international organisations (UN, EU etc) are calling on us to find a compromise solution which inevidably will include much of what the other side is asking.

Considering all these you might begin to understand why harbouring maximalist positions will not serve you properly, especially when you are a weak minnow (that roars like a lion). This is of course the direct path to calamity and super so called patriots that are calling us to commit suicide are really the ame people who since the early 50's are engaged in destroying Cyprus in the name of greekness then and basic human rights now.

Bananiot, if there is agreement and Akel and Disy officially promote it, what do you think is the chance that GCs will vote for it. Are there any recent polls of the thoughts of the GCs?

[Get Real!]

DIKO + EDEK should not be underestimated because they make up for 30% of the electorate.

[YFred]

DIKO + EDEK should not be underestimated because they make up for 30% of the electorate.

Agreed but is there any recent polls about the Akel/Disy supporters thoughts?

[Get Real!]

DIKO + EDEK should not be underestimated because they make up for 30% of the electorate.

Agreed but is there any recent polls about the Akel/Disy supporters thoughts?

None that I know of.

I can't imagine AKEL and DYSI agreeing on anything for too long though so I wouldn't hold my breath...