Aaaah! Teslimiyat.
Oracle wrote:Can't keep those Ottomans down!
Oracle wrote:denizaksulu wrote:Oracle wrote:Can't keep those Ottomans down!
Say RIP; after all they carry the Byzantine genes.... well they did (past tense)
They murdered all 25,000 Janissaries, Deniz ...
denizaksulu wrote:Oracle wrote:denizaksulu wrote:Oracle wrote:Can't keep those Ottomans down!
Say RIP; after all they carry the Byzantine genes.... well they did (past tense)
They murdered all 25,000 Janissaries, Deniz ...
Why do you talk of the Military Reforms of Mahmud II? I was talking of the Ottoman Sultan Dynasty. Noneof the mothes (Valide Sultans) were Turkish. At the beginning of the Empire they were Byzantine princesses.
Oracle wrote:denizaksulu wrote:Oracle wrote:denizaksulu wrote:Oracle wrote:Can't keep those Ottomans down!
Say RIP; after all they carry the Byzantine genes.... well they did (past tense)
They murdered all 25,000 Janissaries, Deniz ...
Why do you talk of the Military Reforms of Mahmud II? I was talking of the Ottoman Sultan Dynasty. Noneof the mothes (Valide Sultans) were Turkish. At the beginning of the Empire they were Byzantine princesses.
It was one way traffic, Deniz. The Ottomans forced a few (hardly enough to change demographics) Byzantine nobles to help them appear civilised, but they remained Christian, taught them civilised behaviour ... and they have now died out!
All testimony to the evil enslavement the Ottomans practiced to secure their legacy of Turkey ...
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