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[Pyrpolizer]

Reading through some posts it seems the majority of TCs think that all they are missing to solve all their problems is the recognition of the northern part as their own separate state.

Although this is totally impossible imo given the fact that about 84% of the land in there is owned by GC refugees, and there isn’t enough TC properties in the southern part to compansate not even 1/5th, let’s assume that tomorrow the TCs are ready to pack their suitcases and go to the UN where they will get a yes vote from all member states except ROC and Greece.

Will Turkey let them go? And if yes what will happen after they get their recognition?

[YFred]

The economies are far apart as things stand. We couldn't unite them even if we wanted to. The TC economy will need all the help it can have from anywhere that is willing to help so it can develop and one day perhaps the two economies can re-unite with their people. That is the only way. Any other way will lead to problems with the communities just like in 63. It’s like a powder keg and the slightest of spark and it will flare up again. It is in the interest of certain powerful individuals that the political situation remains the way it does.
Regarding percentages the GC have been fed loads of crap regarding how much of the land belongs to them. The GC education system saw to that. The realistic figure will be worked out when they deal with property issue, which I believe is very soon.
We also believe in one step at a time. When we solve the TC economic problems which is big task in it self after 35 years of embargo, we’ll deal with the Turks ourselves.

[insan]

Reading through some posts it seems the majority of TCs think that all they are missing to solve all their problems is the recognition of the northern part as their own separate state.

Although this is totally impossible imo given the fact that about 84% of the land in there is owned by GC refugees, and there isn’t enough TC properties in the southern part to compansate not even 1/5th, let’s assume that tomorrow the TCs are ready to pack their suitcases and go to the UN where they will get a yes vote from all member states except ROC and Greece.

Will Turkey let them go? And if yes what will happen after they get their recognition?

I personally don't think recognition of TRNC would have solved all the problems but would provide a fair ground solving all the problems island wide.

I want to reiterate one more time that I believe the legitimacy of so-called RoC arise from political games of cold war era; just for the sake of keeping chaotic Greece in Nato thus stability of NATO.

On a fair ground, there would have been far better circumstances(politically, economically and mentally) in North to talk abt reunification. Nevertheless, isolation of TC community just fed the already existed anger and antipathy against GC political elite to a greater extent and instigated seperatist thoughts.

Most of the average TCs have no problems with most of the average GCs regarding getting on well on individual basis... until a political conflict erupts between 2 large ethnic groups of Cyprus...

[Christine Toskos]

The sex professor speaks again!

Cyprus needs the Turkish troops and illegal settlers to leave the island. The Turkish Cypriots are tried of being enslaved, receiving inferior education, need universal medical attention that their enslavers do not provide and won't ever provide. They must get a back bone and fight against our common enemy. TURKEY'S AGGRESSION!!

[Pyrpolizer]

So to summarize Yfred, you assume that

1)Turkey will let you get recognition
2)The TC economy will start flourishing after that.
3)At some stage you will deal with the Turks yourselves.

Lets see what others think-obviously #1 is a crucial point

[paliometoxo]

The sex professor speaks again!

Cyprus needs the Turkish troops and illegal settlers to leave the island. The Turkish Cypriots are tried of being enslaved, receiving inferior education, need universal medical attention that their enslavers do not provide and won't ever provide. They must get a back bone and fight against our common enemy. TURKEY'S AGGRESSION!!

well said

[Paphitis]

So to summarize Yfred, you assume that

1)Turkey will let you get recognition
2)The TC economy will start flourishing after that.
3)At some stage you will deal with the Turks yourselves.

Lets see what others think-obviously #1 is a crucial point

Let's assume Turkey will allow recognition and that the TC economy starts flourishing.

Then why would the TCs want a solution or a unified Cyprus?

Blaming us for their "isolation" is just a ploy for the RoC to lift restrictions on direct flights and trade. After that, the TCs will just tell us to bugger off, and Cyprus will forever be PARTITIONED....

The Turks are very clever...

[Pyrpolizer]

Reading through some posts it seems the majority of TCs think that all they are missing to solve all their problems is the recognition of the northern part as their own separate state.

Although this is totally impossible imo given the fact that about 84% of the land in there is owned by GC refugees, and there isn’t enough TC properties in the southern part to compansate not even 1/5th, let’s assume that tomorrow the TCs are ready to pack their suitcases and go to the UN where they will get a yes vote from all member states except ROC and Greece.

Will Turkey let them go? And if yes what will happen after they get their recognition?

I personally don't think recognition of TRNC would have solved all the problems but would provide a fair ground solving all the problems island wide.

I want to reiterate one more time that I believe the legitimacy of so-called RoC arise from political games of cold war era; just for the sake of keeping chaotic Greece in Nato thus stability of NATO.

On a fair ground, there would have been far better circumstances(politically, economically and mentally) in North to talk abt reunification. Nevertheless, isolation of TC community just fed the already existed anger and antipathy against GC political elite to a greater extent and instigated seperatist thoughts.

Most of the average TCs have no problems with most of the average GCs regarding getting on well on individual basis... until a political conflict erupts between 2 large ethnic groups of Cyprus...

Why a fair ground?? The Tcs were about 120,000 in 1974 18% of the population. The occupied north is 36% (3 times as much as your percentage). Where do you see the fairness in getting recognition on top of the 3 times as much land you already have?

On the matter of recognition of the Roc as the only legal Government:

I am afraid i disagree with your views. Take things from the begining. RoC was what the 1960 agreements said. An internationally legal entity, passed through UN etc, signed by everybody including Turkey.
1963 the Tcs abandon the ROC , make their own separate administration.
1974: 37% of the ROC's land invaded and still occupied by Turkey.

So there was NEVER a question of recognition except in 1960 when everybody (GCs, TCs, Greece, Turkey, Britain+ the whole world) agreed signed and rubbered stamped the Zurich agreements.

Now if you imply there should be de-recognition of the RoC at some stage because of this or that reason, you should have acted during that specific time, and try your chances under international law.
But my friend you the TC brothers were always equally stupid as your GC brothers and you were always acting equally illegally like them.
So the bird has flown.

[insan]

So to summarize Yfred, you assume that

1)Turkey will let you get recognition
2)The TC economy will start flourishing after that.
3)At some stage you will deal with the Turks yourselves.

Lets see what others think-obviously #1 is a crucial point

Let's assume Turkey will allow recognition and that the TC economy starts flourishing.

Then why would the TCs want a solution or a unified Cyprus?

This is just a ploy for the RoC to lift restrictions on direct flights and trade. After that, the TCs will just tell us to bugger off, and Cyprus will forever be PARTITIONED....

The Turks are very clever...

U r wrong! There would still have been some problems to solve such as return of the GC refugees, exchange/compensation issues etc...

Be it a recognized TRNC or unrecognized; the basic parameters of reunification would have been the same...

A recognized TRNC, wouldn't change the fact that most of the land in TRNC belong to GCs. International community would still have urged both sides to find a solution to refugee and land ownership problem.

[Christine Toskos]

People don't blame Fred. He is a product of the inferior education he received from this Turkish oppressors. He probably did not live on our island before 1974. Maybe his parents are too afraid to tell him the truth. Turkish Cypriots lived side by side. They received the same education and medical services. Outside their religion you could not tell who was Greek /Turkish. But, the invaders destroyed your high standard of living. Now, you must kiss your oppressors asses and recite all the lies they are saying or be stoned in the stadium during half time of a football game. The truth hurts Fred.