Pyrpolizer wrote:insan wrote:Pyrpolizer wrote:Reading through some posts it seems the majority of TCs think that all they are missing to solve all their problems is the recognition of the northern part as their own separate state.
Although this is totally impossible imo given the fact that about 84% of the land in there is owned by GC refugees, and there isn’t enough TC properties in the southern part to compansate not even 1/5th, let’s assume that tomorrow the TCs are ready to pack their suitcases and go to the UN where they will get a yes vote from all member states except ROC and Greece.
Will Turkey let them go? And if yes what will happen after they get their recognition?
I personally don't think recognition of TRNC would have solved all the problems but would provide a fair ground solving all the problems island wide.
I want to reiterate one more time that I believe the legitimacy of so-called RoC arise from political games of cold war era; just for the sake of keeping chaotic Greece in Nato thus stability of NATO.
On a fair ground, there would have been far better circumstances(politically, economically and mentally) in North to talk abt reunification. Nevertheless, isolation of TC community just fed the already existed anger and antipathy against GC political elite to a greater extent and instigated seperatist thoughts.
Most of the average TCs have no problems with most of the average GCs regarding getting on well on individual basis... until a political conflict erupts between 2 large ethnic groups of Cyprus...
Why a fair ground?? The Tcs were about 120,000 in 1974 18% of the population. The occupied north is 36% (3 times as much as your percentage). Where do you see the fairness in getting recognition on top of the 3 times as much land you already have?
On the matter of recognition of the Roc as the only legal Government:
I am afraid i disagree with your views. Take things from the begining. RoC was what the 1960 agreements said. An internationally legal entity, passed through UN etc, signed by everybody including Turkey.
1963 the Tcs abandon the ROC , make their own separate administration.
1974: 37% of the ROC's land invaded and still occupied by Turkey.
So there was NEVER a question of recognition except in 1960 when everybody (GCs, TCs, Greece, Turkey, Britain+ the whole world) agreed signed and rubbered stamped the Zurich agreements.
Now if you imply there should be de-recognition of the RoC at some stage because of this or that reason, you should have acted during that specific time, and try your chances under international law.
But my friend you the TC brothers were always equally stupid as your GC brothers and you were always acting equally illegally like them.
So the bird has flown.
TCs being 18% of Cyprus' population does not mean percentage of private+state+evkaf land belong to TCs should have been 18%. In the begining of the British rule, TCs constituted abt 1/3 of total population(census 1881 - http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3504.html).
Between the years 1878 to 1960 so many TCs emigrated from Cyprus but until 1946 they couldn't sell their properties. TC properties and lands could only be inherited from parents to children otherwise should be restituted back to legal owner; Evkaf.
In 1946, as a consequence of TC emigration the population ratio of 2 communities had become 1/5 from 1/3.
TCs didn't abandon the RoC. TCs were pushed by some well known circles of GCs to abandon RoC. Do u know abt the "untouchable" GC "heroes"? Please check Tim's thread. "What TPap told Packard". TCs, in essential were happy with 60s agreements.. their only concern was what some known GC circles would do. A group of EOKA "heroes", including Grivas and Sampson were not happy with the 60s agreements and treaties. Don't misunderstand me... I'm not accusing them of struggling for what they believed in the age of nationalism during the cold war era but it is a fact, plx accept that they considered Cyprus as a Greek island and they couldn't digest their "enemy", "remnants", "relics" of "barbarian" Turks having equal rights on community basis.
Their aspiration was union with Greece and a Greek-GC ruled Cyprus... if TCs accept being a minority they could stay otherwise shoot out!
Anyway... 37% of Cyprus occupied by us TCs, not Turkey. Turkey is in North because it serves our common interests. Has there been 15.000-20.000 TC national guard and some 100.000 + TC reservists; there would have been just a few thousands of Turkish troops in the TRNC.
Anyway, during the second half of 70s, Turkish side presented a few proposals regarding return of land and abt 40.000 GC refugees but rejected by GC administration.
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"Virgin birth" which TC side struggle for will be the derecognition of RoC, if ever a solution is reached.
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There r a lot of stupdities from both sides... but most of the stupidities of both sides r in perfect correlation with then the circumstances... most of them... but some of them r realted with lack of intellectual Cypriot forces....
Please really double cross your info.
