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[Paphitis]

So to summarize Yfred, you assume that

1)Turkey will let you get recognition
2)The TC economy will start flourishing after that.
3)At some stage you will deal with the Turks yourselves.

Lets see what others think-obviously #1 is a crucial point

Let's assume Turkey will allow recognition and that the TC economy starts flourishing.

Then why would the TCs want a solution or a unified Cyprus?

This is just a ploy for the RoC to lift restrictions on direct flights and trade. After that, the TCs will just tell us to bugger off, and Cyprus will forever be PARTITIONED....

The Turks are very clever...

Insan wrote:

U r wrong! There would still have been some problems to solve such as return of the GC refugees, exchange/compensation issues etc...

Pull the other one.

Should the "trnc" be recognised, then the GC refugees can kiss the possibility of their return back to their homes goodbye.

There will be no compensation either.

Basically, the TCs will have achieved their 50 year dream of partition, and the RoC would have lost the war. A unified Cyprus will never eventuate.

Insan wrote:

Be it a recognized TRNC or unrecognized; the basic parameters of reunification would have been the same...

Which is permanent partition!

But why would you bother if you are a recognised state?

Insan wrote:

A recognized TRNC, wouldn't change the fact that most of the land in TRNC belong to GCs. International community would still have urged both sides to find a solution to refugee and land ownership problem.

Something which no GC can ever accept, because most of the land does belong to GCs. Which brings us back to square one. Recognition is an impossible to begin with.

[Christine Toskos]

Turks are not clever they are evil. In their own religion they committed a mortal sin. They invaded a peaceful who was having political problems. No Turkish cypriot was hurt. No Turkish Cypriot lost his/her home. Yet, they said Let's invade and steal these people land. Within one week the political problem was solved among themselves but the evil empire is still there flexing their muscles. Who suffered? The Greek Cypriots who lost their home and roots. Yet, they made due and because wealthier than before. The Turkish Cypriots are poorer and uneducated since the invasion. They are isolated. Many of them are escaping to the South so they could give their children the same benefits as our children are recieving. What do I see as the future? What happened in East Germany. They knocked down the wall. It is up to the Turkish Cypriots to rebell and kick out the occupators and their oppressors. Greeks never wanted the Turkish Cypriots any harm. They just want to be free and live in peace. We want to be allowed to go to our homes.

[YFred]

People don't blame Fred. He is a product of the inferior education he received from this Turkish oppressors. He probably did not live on our island before 1974. Maybe his parents are too afraid to tell him the truth. Turkish Cypriots lived side by side. They received the same education and medical services. Outside their religion you could not tell who was Greek /Turkish. But, the invaders destroyed your high standard of living. Now, you must kiss your oppressors asses and recite all the lies they are saying or be stoned in the stadium during half time of a football game. The truth hurts Fred.

Your Stupidity is beyond belief.
I was born in Lurucina in 1958. I lived through 63 and 67. I left Cyprus in 1972. I know exactly how we were treated by the GCs before 74. I am the one who spent upto 6 hours in the sun in boiling bus waiting to get into Lefkosa. Where were you at the time and how old are you?

How backward are you woman, or did you major at Harvard in insulting others while you make yourself look stupid.

[YFred]

Turks are not clever they are evil. In their own religion they committed a mortal sin. They invaded a peaceful who was having political problems. No Turkish cypriot was hurt. No Turkish Cypriot lost his/her home. Yet, they said Let's invade and steal these people land. Within one week the political problem was solved among themselves but the evil empire is still there flexing their muscles. Who suffered? The Greek Cypriots who lost their home and roots. Yet, they made due and because wealthier than before. The Turkish Cypriots are poorer and uneducated since the invasion. They are isolated. Many of them are escaping to the South so they could give their children the same benefits as our children are recieving. What do I see as the future? What happened in East Germany. They knocked down the wall. It is up to the Turkish Cypriots to rebell and kick out the occupators and their oppressors. Greeks never wanted the Turkish Cypriots any harm. They just want to be free and live in peace. We want to be allowed to go to our homes.

Please tell that to my two neigbours, because they are not aware that they lost a husband and a son in 1963. They must have gone to Aya Napa for a bit of dance and liked it so much they decided to stay.

[Pyrpolizer]

Something which no GC can ever accept, because most of the land does belong to GCs. Which brings us back to square one. Recognition is an impossible to begin with.

Never say never my friend.

Recognition IS POSSIBLE under certain circumstances. You want me to elaborate? OK... assume that Turkey starts returning land. She returns and returns until she drops down to 18%. She goes to the UN and says I want recognition, there is no land issue anymore, there is absolutely nothing pending other than minor issues, the TCs hold only as much land as their were always entitled and they don't want to mix with the Greeks ever again. (Remember the land registry pre 1974 for ALL land in the north is still in their hands as ORIGINAL). Tell me who will refuse them? I bet the Gcs will be the first to support them :lol::lol::lol::lol:

So coming back to my original though provoking question to our TC brothers, o you think Turkey will ever let you get recognition?

Notice I already pointed you one sure way to achieve that.

[Paphitis]

Something which no GC can ever accept, because most of the land does belong to GCs. Which brings us back to square one. Recognition is an impossible to begin with.

Never say never my friend.

Recognition IS POSSIBLE under certain circumstances. You want me to elaborate? OK... assume that Turkey starts returning land. She returns and returns until she drops down to 18%. She goes to the UN and says I want recognition, there is no land issue anymore, there is absolutely nothing pending other than minor issues, the TCs hold only as much land as their were always entitled and they don't want to mix with the Greeks ever again. (Remember the land registry pre 1974 for ALL land in the north is still in their hands as ORIGINAL). Tell me who will refuse them? I bet the Gcs will be the first to support them :lol::lol::lol::lol:

So coming back to my original though provoking question to our TC brothers, o you think Turkey will ever let you get recognition?

Notice I already pointed you one sure way to achieve that.

Recognition is possible only if the RoC allows it. If Turkey was to drop down to 18% of the island, then there is some chance for recognition to occur, but Cypriots will need to realise that they will be condemned to having to share a border with Turkey in Cyprus, and this alone is fraught with considerable danger.

You just need to see what Greece must endure in the Aegean.

[Pyrpolizer]

Turks are not clever they are evil. In their own religion they committed a mortal sin. They invaded a peaceful who was having political problems. No Turkish cypriot was hurt. No Turkish Cypriot lost his/her home. Yet, they said Let's invade and steal these people land. Within one week the political problem was solved among themselves but the evil empire is still there flexing their muscles. Who suffered? The Greek Cypriots who lost their home and roots. Yet, they made due and because wealthier than before. The Turkish Cypriots are poorer and uneducated since the invasion. They are isolated. Many of them are escaping to the South so they could give their children the same benefits as our children are recieving. What do I see as the future? What happened in East Germany. They knocked down the wall. It is up to the Turkish Cypriots to rebell and kick out the occupators and their oppressors. Greeks never wanted the Turkish Cypriots any harm. They just want to be free and live in peace. We want to be allowed to go to our homes.

Do you know that in 1963 the TCs had 25,000 refugees all packed under terrible conditions in the Turkish sector of Nicosia, suffering from diseases and hunger, do you know even Greek journalists who visited felt ashamed on our behalf?

My dear the people are not evil. Among every nation they are some EVIL people.

[YFred]

Turks are not clever they are evil. In their own religion they committed a mortal sin. They invaded a peaceful who was having political problems. No Turkish cypriot was hurt. No Turkish Cypriot lost his/her home. Yet, they said Let's invade and steal these people land. Within one week the political problem was solved among themselves but the evil empire is still there flexing their muscles. Who suffered? The Greek Cypriots who lost their home and roots. Yet, they made due and because wealthier than before. The Turkish Cypriots are poorer and uneducated since the invasion. They are isolated. Many of them are escaping to the South so they could give their children the same benefits as our children are recieving. What do I see as the future? What happened in East Germany. They knocked down the wall. It is up to the Turkish Cypriots to rebell and kick out the occupators and their oppressors. Greeks never wanted the Turkish Cypriots any harm. They just want to be free and live in peace. We want to be allowed to go to our homes.

Do you know that in 1963 the TCs had 25,000 refugees all packed under terrible conditions in the Turkish sector of Nicosia, suffering from diseases and hunger, do you know even Greek journalists who visited felt ashamed on our behalf?

My dear the people are not evil. Among every nation they are some EVIL people.

Not forgetting 2000 that sought refuge in Lurucina under the same conditions.

[Pyrpolizer]

Something which no GC can ever accept, because most of the land does belong to GCs. Which brings us back to square one. Recognition is an impossible to begin with.

Never say never my friend.

Recognition IS POSSIBLE under certain circumstances. You want me to elaborate? OK... assume that Turkey starts returning land. She returns and returns until she drops down to 18%. She goes to the UN and says I want recognition, there is no land issue anymore, there is absolutely nothing pending other than minor issues, the TCs hold only as much land as their were always entitled and they don't want to mix with the Greeks ever again. (Remember the land registry pre 1974 for ALL land in the north is still in their hands as ORIGINAL). Tell me who will refuse them? I bet the Gcs will be the first to support them :lol::lol::lol::lol:

So coming back to my original though provoking question to our TC brothers, o you think Turkey will ever let you get recognition?

Notice I already pointed you one sure way to achieve that.

Recognition is possible only if the RoC allows it. If Turkey was to drop down to 18% of the island, then there is some chance for recognition to occur, but Cypriots will need to realise that they will be condemned to having to share a border with Turkey in Cyprus, and this alone is fraught with considerable danger.

You just need to see what Greece must endure in the Aegean.

Answer me straight Paphitis. Will the Gcs consent under the above conditions YES OR NO.

[Paphitis]

Something which no GC can ever accept, because most of the land does belong to GCs. Which brings us back to square one. Recognition is an impossible to begin with.

Never say never my friend.

Recognition IS POSSIBLE under certain circumstances. You want me to elaborate? OK... assume that Turkey starts returning land. She returns and returns until she drops down to 18%. She goes to the UN and says I want recognition, there is no land issue anymore, there is absolutely nothing pending other than minor issues, the TCs hold only as much land as their were always entitled and they don't want to mix with the Greeks ever again. (Remember the land registry pre 1974 for ALL land in the north is still in their hands as ORIGINAL). Tell me who will refuse them? I bet the Gcs will be the first to support them :lol::lol::lol::lol:

So coming back to my original though provoking question to our TC brothers, o you think Turkey will ever let you get recognition?

Notice I already pointed you one sure way to achieve that.

Recognition is possible only if the RoC allows it. If Turkey was to drop down to 18% of the island, then there is some chance for recognition to occur, but Cypriots will need to realise that they will be condemned to having to share a border with Turkey in Cyprus, and this alone is fraught with considerable danger.

You just need to see what Greece must endure in the Aegean.

Answer me straight Paphitis. Will the Gcs consent under the above conditions YES OR NO.

I think GCs will consent....

However, this scenario is still fraught with danger. We will forever be plagued with a Turkish border, and this has its consequences!