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[zan]

I’m only speaking from what I see in and around Paphos, it appears that many Turkish Cypriots are voting with their feet and moving South to the ROC controlled areas. They are taking up residence and reclaiming their land and I know for a fact that one of the biggest landowners in an outlying village close to the airport is a Turkish Cypriot. When I first moved to Cyprus a number of years ago the number of Turkish Cypriots living in Paphos was quite small though over the last few years the TC population has grown to quite a large number. Whether they have moved south because of too many false dawns, too many broken promises or just for better living standards I don’t know but what I do know is that they are moving back here. Paphos is now very cosmopolitan with many different nationalities living here and most locals are too busy trying to earn a living to be concerned what ethnic group a person is from. As I have said in other posts my wife is Turkic; we live in a predominantly GC village overlooking Paphos and we have been made to feel very welcome.
It might open one or two of the TC’s eyes on this forum to visit the South and see for themselves how things really are and not believe everything they read in the newspapers or hear on the TV. Kibrisli Turk has made many valid points in his posts and is correct in stating that the more people mix with each other the quicker the barriers will be broken down.
You cannot punish the majority for the actions of a few and that is what VP supports and these innocent people [both TC’s and GC’s] have been punished for over 35 years. Even if you murder someone you don’t get a 35 year prison sentence.
I expected better from Zan; usually whether you agree with him or not he is quite articulate with his answers though to deny there was no ethnic cleansing when even his footnote states that he was kicked out of Cyprus by the GC’s, is absurd.

It was a tongue in cheek poke at the ethnic cleansing issue in which the TC population and what they have lost for ever seems to be trumped by the GC card that is all.....For me to deny ethnic cleansing would just be stupid....Sorry!!!! All I can say after what has happened in Cyprus is so what.....There is no point in time that we can return to that would make everything right. Eggs were broken and all the kings horses and all the kings men cannot put Humpty together again. We have to move on....Believe me when I say that if that point in time existed, I would be screaming for it now!!!

[denizaksulu]

Thanks for the advice but the Turks have been making my life a misery since 1964. So, I am not holding my breath but that does not mean they are here to stay without opposition... And in due course, justice will be enacted as it always is (just slow and not worth asphyxiating over).

You're right: justice will be served by the realization of the two sovereign state solution for Cyprus.

That's not justice for Cypriots but total victory for Greece and Turkey... the enemies of Cyprus.

If the people of Cyprus decide to live in seperate parts of the island under their own administrations , what would be so wrong with that?

An agreed Partition is one thing and 'Ethnic Cleansing' is another. That is whats wrong.

Not a very good analogy I am afraid.

Regards

There was no ethnic cleansing.....Just people who did not want to live with each other for fear of death. Then a population exchange in the time old manner.....1963 saw the start and 74 the end.....The omlets where then cooked and eaten.

Ofcourse not Zan. Our Greek Cypriot compatriots left for the south to party in Ayia Napa.

There can only be a perceived "Proper" outcome in total victory Deniz...No one has really won this one so I am afraid it is what it is...The arrow of time goes forward just like the ethnic cleansing of the TC people throughout the 60,s and 70,s. Time has been used to cover up what we owned and our possessions in Cyprus.....Any chance of changing that back also???

Do you deny any 'Ethnic C;eanasing' of Greek Cypriots from the north? That was the issue above. If you consider What happened to the TCs during the 60 and 70's as 'Ethnic Cleansing' then do you thing that two wrongs make one right'.? I dont see it as 'pay back' time Zan.

[zan]

Thanks for the advice but the Turks have been making my life a misery since 1964. So, I am not holding my breath but that does not mean they are here to stay without opposition... And in due course, justice will be enacted as it always is (just slow and not worth asphyxiating over).

You're right: justice will be served by the realization of the two sovereign state solution for Cyprus.

That's not justice for Cypriots but total victory for Greece and Turkey... the enemies of Cyprus.

If the people of Cyprus decide to live in seperate parts of the island under their own administrations , what would be so wrong with that?

An agreed Partition is one thing and 'Ethnic Cleansing' is another. That is whats wrong.

Not a very good analogy I am afraid.

Regards

There was no ethnic cleansing.....Just people who did not want to live with each other for fear of death. Then a population exchange in the time old manner.....1963 saw the start and 74 the end.....The omlets where then cooked and eaten.

Ofcourse not Zan. Our Greek Cypriot compatriots left for the south to party in Ayia Napa.

There can only be a perceived "Proper" outcome in total victory Deniz...No one has really won this one so I am afraid it is what it is...The arrow of time goes forward just like the ethnic cleansing of the TC people throughout the 60,s and 70,s. Time has been used to cover up what we owned and our possessions in Cyprus.....Any chance of changing that back also???

Do you deny any 'Ethnic C;eanasing' of Greek Cypriots from the north? That was the issue above. If you consider What happened to the TCs during the 60 and 70's as 'Ethnic Cleansing' then do you thing that two wrongs make one right'.? I dont see it as 'pay back' time Zan.

Nothing to do with payback...Just practicality...When they are prepared to admit to ethnic cleansing then I will "Officially" also...That would be payback IN KIND>>>>>>>>NESS.

The RIGHT in this is to move on.....We have two states BECAUSE of our ways (Crimes) and support the TRNC but not the "RoC" because they are still after my blood....You always have the choice of the two.....

[Piratis]

We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island.

Denktash

Zan, you created your partition aim since the 1950s. Your aim, was to move out from certain areas of Cyprus and to concentrate on some other ones, and then to annihilate us from those areas and in this way create some "Turkish" state on part of Cyprus.

If you wanted to stay in the places you have always been then you wouldn't have created the partition plan and you wouldn't start a conflict and later a war in order to achieve it.

The people who have been ethnically cleansed are those who did not want partition and did not agree with the plans of the TC and the Turkish leaderships. These people are the GCs, and those TCs who didn't agree with their leadership.

Partitionists like you are the ones who wanted this ethnic cleansing to happen in order to achieve your aim of partition. So don't pretend to be the victim!

[denizaksulu]

Thanks for the advice but the Turks have been making my life a misery since 1964. So, I am not holding my breath but that does not mean they are here to stay without opposition... And in due course, justice will be enacted as it always is (just slow and not worth asphyxiating over).

You're right: justice will be served by the realization of the two sovereign state solution for Cyprus.

That's not justice for Cypriots but total victory for Greece and Turkey... the enemies of Cyprus.

If the people of Cyprus decide to live in seperate parts of the island under their own administrations , what would be so wrong with that?

An agreed Partition is one thing and 'Ethnic Cleansing' is another. That is whats wrong.

Not a very good analogy I am afraid.

Regards

There was no ethnic cleansing.....Just people who did not want to live with each other for fear of death. Then a population exchange in the time old manner.....1963 saw the start and 74 the end.....The omlets where then cooked and eaten.

Ofcourse not Zan. Our Greek Cypriot compatriots left for the south to party in Ayia Napa.

There can only be a perceived "Proper" outcome in total victory Deniz...No one has really won this one so I am afraid it is what it is...The arrow of time goes forward just like the ethnic cleansing of the TC people throughout the 60,s and 70,s. Time has been used to cover up what we owned and our possessions in Cyprus.....Any chance of changing that back also???

Do you deny any 'Ethnic C;eanasing' of Greek Cypriots from the north? That was the issue above. If you consider What happened to the TCs during the 60 and 70's as 'Ethnic Cleansing' then do you thing that two wrongs make one right'.? I dont see it as 'pay back' time Zan.

Nothing to do with payback...Just practicality...When they are prepared to admit to ethnic cleansing then I will "Officially" also...That would be payback IN KIND>>>>>>>>NESS.

The RIGHT in this is to move on.....We have two states BECAUSE of our ways (Crimes) and support the TRNC but not the "RoC" because they are still after my blood....You always have the choice of the two.....

Fine, I have a choice. My choice is that I refuse to live in a place which has been systematically ethnically cleansed. I do not, as far as I am concerned applies to my family from the south.

[zan]

We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island.

Denktash

Zan, you created your partition aim since the 1950s. Your aim, was to move out from certain areas of Cyprus and to concentrate on some other ones, and then to annihilate us from those areas and in this way create some "Turkish" state on part of Cyprus.

If you wanted to stay in the places you have always been then you wouldn't have created the partition plan and you wouldn't start a conflict and later a war in order to achieve it.

But Pppa Piratis...We thought that you would abandon your aims for ENOSIS but you didn't......We just thought that if you really wanted it then you could FUCK OFF and leave us with what we had but even that was not good enough for you.....You decided that you would not even pay for our land but we SHOULD.....With our lives.....That was our partition plan..But...Then there was a period when we thought you HAD given it up and we signed the Zurich agreement so we COULD live together but YOU still wanted more even after scaring thousands of TCs off the island and stealing their land....1963 you made your move on the rest and then came unstuck because you were not even together on HOW to kill my people and me...Too Bad!!!!

[zan]

Thanks for the advice but the Turks have been making my life a misery since 1964. So, I am not holding my breath but that does not mean they are here to stay without opposition... And in due course, justice will be enacted as it always is (just slow and not worth asphyxiating over).

You're right: justice will be served by the realization of the two sovereign state solution for Cyprus.

That's not justice for Cypriots but total victory for Greece and Turkey... the enemies of Cyprus.

If the people of Cyprus decide to live in seperate parts of the island under their own administrations , what would be so wrong with that?

An agreed Partition is one thing and 'Ethnic Cleansing' is another. That is whats wrong.

Not a very good analogy I am afraid.

Regards

There was no ethnic cleansing.....Just people who did not want to live with each other for fear of death. Then a population exchange in the time old manner.....1963 saw the start and 74 the end.....The omlets where then cooked and eaten.

Ofcourse not Zan. Our Greek Cypriot compatriots left for the south to party in Ayia Napa.

There can only be a perceived "Proper" outcome in total victory Deniz...No one has really won this one so I am afraid it is what it is...The arrow of time goes forward just like the ethnic cleansing of the TC people throughout the 60,s and 70,s. Time has been used to cover up what we owned and our possessions in Cyprus.....Any chance of changing that back also???

Do you deny any 'Ethnic C;eanasing' of Greek Cypriots from the north? That was the issue above. If you consider What happened to the TCs during the 60 and 70's as 'Ethnic Cleansing' then do you thing that two wrongs make one right'.? I dont see it as 'pay back' time Zan.

Nothing to do with payback...Just practicality...When they are prepared to admit to ethnic cleansing then I will "Officially" also...That would be payback IN KIND>>>>>>>>NESS.

The RIGHT in this is to move on.....We have two states BECAUSE of our ways (Crimes) and support the TRNC but not the "RoC" because they are still after my blood....You always have the choice of the two.....

Fine, I have a choice. My choice is that I refuse to live in a place which has been systematically ethnically cleansed. I do not, as far as I am concerned applies to my family from the south.

So ditch the whole island!!!Never set foot on her again!!! I personally have had enough of my family suffering and my father not being able to even see his land since 1965.....I have every right to buy 40 donums of so called GC land and do whatever the hell I want to do with it. If at some time they want o give me my real land back then they can pay to move my house and my family and whatever else I might build on it.....Enough is enough!!!!!

[Tim Drayton]

I’m only speaking from what I see in and around Paphos, it appears that many Turkish Cypriots are voting with their feet and moving South to the ROC controlled areas. They are taking up residence and reclaiming their land and I know for a fact that one of the biggest landowners in an outlying village close to the airport is a Turkish Cypriot. When I first moved to Cyprus a number of years ago the number of Turkish Cypriots living in Paphos was quite small though over the last few years the TC population has grown to quite a large number. Whether they have moved south because of too many false dawns, too many broken promises or just for better living standards I don’t know but what I do know is that they are moving back here. Paphos is now very cosmopolitan with many different nationalities living here and most locals are too busy trying to earn a living to be concerned what ethnic group a person is from. As I have said in other posts my wife is Turkic; we live in a predominantly GC village overlooking Paphos and we have been made to feel very welcome.
It might open one or two of the TC’s eyes on this forum to visit the South and see for themselves how things really are and not believe everything they read in the newspapers or hear on the TV. Kibrisli Turk has made many valid points in his posts and is correct in stating that the more people mix with each other the quicker the barriers will be broken down.
You cannot punish the majority for the actions of a few and that is what VP supports and these innocent people [both TC’s and GC’s] have been punished for over 35 years. Even if you murder someone you don’t get a 35 year prison sentence.
I expected better from Zan; usually whether you agree with him or not he is quite articulate with his answers though to deny there was no ethnic cleansing when even his footnote states that he was kicked out of Cyprus by the GC’s, is absurd.

Jimski, I think you will find that very few Turkish Cypriots living on the island have not visited the south. Most do so on a regular basis.

On the other hand, there is a certain contingent of expatriate Turkish Cypriots here who appear never to have visited the south of the island, and who would have a less jaundiced view if they did.

[Tim Drayton]

I’m only speaking from what I see in and around Paphos, it appears that many Turkish Cypriots are voting with their feet and moving South to the ROC controlled areas. They are taking up residence and reclaiming their land and I know for a fact that one of the biggest landowners in an outlying village close to the airport is a Turkish Cypriot. When I first moved to Cyprus a number of years ago the number of Turkish Cypriots living in Paphos was quite small though over the last few years the TC population has grown to quite a large number. Whether they have moved south because of too many false dawns, too many broken promises or just for better living standards I don’t know but what I do know is that they are moving back here. Paphos is now very cosmopolitan with many different nationalities living here and most locals are too busy trying to earn a living to be concerned what ethnic group a person is from. As I have said in other posts my wife is Turkic; we live in a predominantly GC village overlooking Paphos and we have been made to feel very welcome.
It might open one or two of the TC’s eyes on this forum to visit the South and see for themselves how things really are and not believe everything they read in the newspapers or hear on the TV. Kibrisli Turk has made many valid points in his posts and is correct in stating that the more people mix with each other the quicker the barriers will be broken down.
You cannot punish the majority for the actions of a few and that is what VP supports and these innocent people [both TC’s and GC’s] have been punished for over 35 years. Even if you murder someone you don’t get a 35 year prison sentence.
I expected better from Zan; usually whether you agree with him or not he is quite articulate with his answers though to deny there was no ethnic cleansing when even his footnote states that he was kicked out of Cyprus by the GC’s, is absurd.

It was a tongue in cheek poke at the ethnic cleansing issue in which the TC population and what they have lost for ever seems to be trumped by the GC card that is all.....For me to deny ethnic cleansing would just be stupid....Sorry!!!! All I can say after what has happened in Cyprus is so what.....There is no point in time that we can return to that would make everything right. Eggs were broken and all the kings horses and all the kings men cannot put Humpty together again. We have to move on....Believe me when I say that if that point in time existed, I would be screaming for it now!!!

Jimski, you are a miracle worker, mate. You have managed to coax an honest and principled comment from Zan. I always knew that deep down there was a decent bloke there.

[Piratis]

We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island.

Denktash

Zan, you created your partition aim since the 1950s. Your aim, was to move out from certain areas of Cyprus and to concentrate on some other ones, and then to annihilate us from those areas and in this way create some "Turkish" state on part of Cyprus.

If you wanted to stay in the places you have always been then you wouldn't have created the partition plan and you wouldn't start a conflict and later a war in order to achieve it.

But Pppa Piratis...We thought that you would abandon your aims for ENOSIS but you didn't......We just thought that if you really wanted it then you could FUCK OFF and leave us with what we had but even that was not good enough for you.....You decided that you would not even pay for our land but we SHOULD.....With our lives.....That was our partition plan..But...Then there was a period when we thought you HAD given it up and we signed the Zurich agreement so we COULD live together but YOU still wanted more even after scaring thousands of TCs off the island and stealing their land....1963 you made your move on the rest and then came unstuck because you were not even together on HOW to kill my people and me...Too Bad!!!!

Zan, your plan for partition and the ethnic cleansing that was required in order to achieve your plan was made in the 1950s before any conflict. So how can you complain about ethnic cleansing when ethnic cleansing was your aim??

Union with Greece required no ethnic cleansing or any other human right violation. Instead of being part of some foreign empire imposed on us against our will, we would be part of a Republic we democratically choose to belong. No ethnic cleansing or any other human right violation was required. Just respect to the democratically expressed will of the Cypriot people, in accordance with our rights as shown in the resolution for decolonization.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm


Here we are talking about ethnic cleansing and I remind you again: It was YOUR AIM. You wanted to move out from some parts of Cyprus and concentrate on some other parts, and subsequently annihilate us from those parts. This is the definition of partition.

Didn't you know that your own plan of partition required from you to move out from some parts of Cyprus? Of course you knew, and you didn't mind, because you would ethnically cleanse us and take twice as much than what you left behind.

What happened? Uncle Denktash didn't give to you your share of the loots? This is why you are upset? If you regretted about the results of your own aims then blame yourself, not us.