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[Tim Drayton]

Forgive me but I recall the tissy of last year who tried to speak to us and who got the bad treatment I refer to above was something like Veryan (?).

I think you mean Vuryek. For example:

http://69.16.253.89/cyprus22046-290.html

[Kibrisli Turk]

Oracle wrote:
Kibrisli Turk wrote:
... If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.



Are you saying that there are TCs who are so frustrated, they are ready and willing to go to war with Turkey?


Hello Kibrisli Turk

I am really interested in the (theoretical) possibility that there may exist a size-able number of TCs who would put the RoC first and foremost, before Turkey, and would even be willing to go to war against their oppressors.

Unless, I may have misunderstood the above where you say "a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated"?

I wonder, if the RoC supported such a war whether the TCs would fight, alongside the GCs, against the Turks?

I would really appreciate a reply as this possibility represents a glimmer of hope for the future of TCs ....



Last edited by Oracle on Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:47 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hello Oracle,

Thanks for your comments to my post. I am trying to be as honest as possible with my views. Don't get me wrong, I love my Turkish Cypriot identity, but Turkey's constant lying, holding us to false promises and etc have all taken its toll on our people (Turkish Cypriot) as I thought the Yes vote to the Annan Plan, without even reading it would have given away our frustrations. It seems that entire lives just fly by in waiting for that so-called false idea of "Recognition". I only care about my personal circumstance Oracle, how my family live in a democratic society where if I have a problem with someone I would prefer to call the Police or take them to a democratic court and win there as opposed to relying on a few Turkish Commandos to brainwash me into thinking that my personal issues are generalised with the Cyprus problem. I may be a socialist, or have been forced to become one over the many years due to my old aged understanding of life and how short it is, but I am sure that others like myself also feel this way deep down inside.

If Turkey has the ball to put action where his/her mouth is and win some kind of international recognition then I would say give it a go, in a humanitarian perspective by means of direct trade and being known to the world at least, but I know that that is a lie a pointless dream that has wasted so many of our lives.

So a simple answer to your question Oracle I would say that the Turkish Cypriots at ground level, the simple every day folk who do have ROC passports, who do cross over for shopping purposes and to see their old friends etc will sooner or later start to rebel against the false dream of recognition of the "TRNC". I have lost so many friends in our side waiting for that dream to be able to get on a British airways flight from Ercan to London for instance that it no longer means anything anymore, do you know what I mean. It's like wanting that BMW car when you are young and mobile, not married and carefree to roam up and down the town showing off at 18, waiting, waiting, and waiting some more until you've finally got it at the age of 63 where it longer hold the same significance or value. That's what waiting for our international presence was like. We no longer care about direct flights or recognition anymore as we already have it via Larnaca and via our newly obtained ROC passports. The Turkish Cypriot authorities have messed up by waiting to long to act, what a load of rubbish they have now become - can't even promise its citizens of the false "TRNC" that it can protect them via an embassy of some kind if they should get into trouble abroad like for example being captured by terrorists! what would they say? "We have a Turkish, Turkish Cypriot, Cypriot, Oh some fellow from some part of Cyprus that is not the ROC and hold a booklet that says the "TRNC"!! Known what I mean?

It's all a lie, and if this round of talks fail, then Turkey better come up with something good for our younger generation, as, as for older folk like me, I'm like that guy who go the BMW in pre 1974, but had it replaced with a Nissan Micra where recognition of the "TRNC" and the removal of its "Isolation" and etc have all lost their significance as said above. Turkey's Cyprus partition idea was sealed the moment it agreed to open the cease-fire line back in 2003/4 before an overall resumption to the Cyprus issue. Now we can all integrate the natural way!

[Pyrpolizer]

The integration of the North of Cyprus into the Republic of Cyprus is not just inevitable, but has already started, leaving us with one real question as Turkish Cypriots, Is Turkey mocking us? I think so.

Here is the evidence of how Cyprus is automatically unifying:

1) Many Turkish Cypriots travel freely to and from the Republic of Cyprus (ROC) on a daily basis to work.

2) Many Turkish Cypriots (at least 22'000 out of a possible 87'000) all hold Republic of Cyprus passports, travel to Europe via Larnaca and consider themselves as a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus when they are abroad particularly in London, Germany, France and etc.

3) The border is gradually being pulled down via the opening of more and more check points on a yearly basis since 2004.

4) The Universities, or at least most of them in the northern part of Cyprus administered by us Turkish Cypriots have very close links with those in the Republic of Cyprus. There is even a department in the University of Cyprus dedicated only to Turkish Studies.

5) The so-called "TRNC" I have lived in all these years is still not recognised, as was promises many moons ago - how funny it is to play with people's lives, particularly in this day an age.

6) As for those Turkish Cypriots who refuse to obtain their rightful Republic of Cyprus passports and citizenship rights before travelling abroad, they are subjected to the same treatment as if they are citizens of non-EU member Turkey. This also requires them to have to apply for Visa from that particular country, and if they are granted, before leaving the "trnc". What a joke in the year 2009.

7) All Turkish Cypriots in the northern area of Cyprus now only talk about buying land is original "Turkish" owned pre-1974 areas! Why? Because the know that the Greek Cypriot original owners will one day return to their land and that we will also be able to return to ous in Larnaca for instance. I gues we can now, but are holding out until a mutual agreement is made.

There are many other reason I can pick on regarding this question, but I find it extremely unfortunate and sad on how Turkey has really tricked us Turkish Cypriots since 1974. Their unfulfilled promises, lies and now our land being occupied by a majority of Turkish settlers.

I see Turkey as a huge coward, one that can't gain the recognition of an area so small as northern Cyprus since 1974 when other countries through intelligent and bold politics have - like the UK in the Falklands and etc. What a bunch of donkeys we Turkish Cypriots have been left with. It's now obvious that President Christofias and Talat will fail once again in the establishment of a Federal model, northern Cyprus will be left alone again until probably the year 2018 or so until Turkey realises what it must do to join the EU and then it, Turkey that is, will do what it should have done in the first place.....remove its troops from Cyprus and re-establish the Cyprus constitution as how it should have done back in 1974 after on a few months of initially intervening.

I don't believe Turkey can, or will be able to gain any recognition of the "TRNC", or have the so called Isolation removed - that is just a lie they have been feeding us Turkish Cypriots to keep us quiet. Turkey is a weak and non-thinking entity when it comes to the Cyprus problem and I hope some of its government officers are reading this posting in a realisation of how fed up, angry and frustrated we Turkish Cypriots are for wasting our lives and our so called born "trnc" children's lives.

My son was born in an unrecognised state. He is now studying in a university in England and has only two passports - A "Republic of Cyprus" passports as he's never coming back to the "TRNC" to live again, and will soon be granted a "British Passport". That's what our Turkish Cypriot politicians have created from their waste of time policies since 1974. If they were not going to push and fight for the recognition of the "TRNC" then why the hell did they bother illegally declare the "TRNC" a republic in 1983. We would have been better to have remained as the "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" until a united model was found where at least we would not have been isolated for so long.

I do not blame the Greek Cypriots for our isolation, but the Turkish government, and our stupid puppet one in the north for wasting so much time and lives. Where has it got us all....exactly, nowhere?

If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

As for what I have said above in point form, I hope the Republic of Cyprus speeds up its property campaign, its opening of the border check points and its issuing of Republic of Cyprus passports to all 87'000 Turkish Cypriot ROC Citizens before Turkey grows a brain!

Hello Kibrisli Turk,

To start with I am a GC who writes occassionally in here. Most of what you say are todays sad realities struck upon the lives of our TC brothers…

We all have been fools my friend, and we all have been exploited by the motherlands. Imho the Cyprus problem started even before the Republic of Cyprus was formed in 1960 and it just escalated to today’s situation. It was a game in which Greece wanted to expand (by taking Cyprus or at least a big part of it) and Turkey wanted some extension in the sea. The ones to blame are not really them, but the MAJORITY of us the Cypriots, who supported their plans. When we realised our fault it was too late, we the Gcs realised it crystal clear in 1974, and it took you the Tcs a few years more…

So here we are to todays situation. It is clear that Greece is no longer interested (see their stance during the Anan Plan) whereas Turkey is still using the Tcs for her own plans-most propably to secure her way towards EU. Turkey knows she will never become full member, so she will use Cyprus to get the maximum out of her eventual "special relation".

There is a very strong point in your post that nobody commented so far: there where you talk about "so much wasting of time and lives". Although your views might be in the minority among the TCs, I don’ think any TC disagrees to this.

Yes my friend there has been a waste of the lives of almost 2 generations so far.Notice this waste extends to the Gcs too, especially the refugees. And it seems there will be even more. Surely there won’t be any solution soon, surely Talat will be replaced by Eroglu, and surely more and more TCs (like your son) will abandon the place and be replaced by settlers…

[YFred]

The integration of the North of Cyprus into the Republic of Cyprus is not just inevitable, but has already started, leaving us with one real question as Turkish Cypriots, Is Turkey mocking us? I think so.

Here is the evidence of how Cyprus is automatically unifying:

1) Many Turkish Cypriots travel freely to and from the Republic of Cyprus (ROC) on a daily basis to work.

2) Many Turkish Cypriots (at least 22'000 out of a possible 87'000) all hold Republic of Cyprus passports, travel to Europe via Larnaca and consider themselves as a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus when they are abroad particularly in London, Germany, France and etc.

3) The border is gradually being pulled down via the opening of more and more check points on a yearly basis since 2004.

4) The Universities, or at least most of them in the northern part of Cyprus administered by us Turkish Cypriots have very close links with those in the Republic of Cyprus. There is even a department in the University of Cyprus dedicated only to Turkish Studies.

5) The so-called "TRNC" I have lived in all these years is still not recognised, as was promises many moons ago - how funny it is to play with people's lives, particularly in this day an age.

6) As for those Turkish Cypriots who refuse to obtain their rightful Republic of Cyprus passports and citizenship rights before travelling abroad, they are subjected to the same treatment as if they are citizens of non-EU member Turkey. This also requires them to have to apply for Visa from that particular country, and if they are granted, before leaving the "trnc". What a joke in the year 2009.

7) All Turkish Cypriots in the northern area of Cyprus now only talk about buying land is original "Turkish" owned pre-1974 areas! Why? Because the know that the Greek Cypriot original owners will one day return to their land and that we will also be able to return to ous in Larnaca for instance. I gues we can now, but are holding out until a mutual agreement is made.

There are many other reason I can pick on regarding this question, but I find it extremely unfortunate and sad on how Turkey has really tricked us Turkish Cypriots since 1974. Their unfulfilled promises, lies and now our land being occupied by a majority of Turkish settlers.

I see Turkey as a huge coward, one that can't gain the recognition of an area so small as northern Cyprus since 1974 when other countries through intelligent and bold politics have - like the UK in the Falklands and etc. What a bunch of donkeys we Turkish Cypriots have been left with. It's now obvious that President Christofias and Talat will fail once again in the establishment of a Federal model, northern Cyprus will be left alone again until probably the year 2018 or so until Turkey realises what it must do to join the EU and then it, Turkey that is, will do what it should have done in the first place.....remove its troops from Cyprus and re-establish the Cyprus constitution as how it should have done back in 1974 after on a few months of initially intervening.

I don't believe Turkey can, or will be able to gain any recognition of the "TRNC", or have the so called Isolation removed - that is just a lie they have been feeding us Turkish Cypriots to keep us quiet. Turkey is a weak and non-thinking entity when it comes to the Cyprus problem and I hope some of its government officers are reading this posting in a realisation of how fed up, angry and frustrated we Turkish Cypriots are for wasting our lives and our so called born "trnc" children's lives.

My son was born in an unrecognised state. He is now studying in a university in England and has only two passports - A "Republic of Cyprus" passports as he's never coming back to the "TRNC" to live again, and will soon be granted a "British Passport". That's what our Turkish Cypriot politicians have created from their waste of time policies since 1974. If they were not going to push and fight for the recognition of the "TRNC" then why the hell did they bother illegally declare the "TRNC" a republic in 1983. We would have been better to have remained as the "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" until a united model was found where at least we would not have been isolated for so long.

I do not blame the Greek Cypriots for our isolation, but the Turkish government, and our stupid puppet one in the north for wasting so much time and lives. Where has it got us all....exactly, nowhere?

If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

As for what I have said above in point form, I hope the Republic of Cyprus speeds up its property campaign, its opening of the border check points and its issuing of Republic of Cyprus passports to all 87'000 Turkish Cypriot ROC Citizens before Turkey grows a brain!

Hello Kibrisli Turk,

To start with I am a GC who writes occassionally in here. Most of what you say are todays sad realities struck upon the lives of our TC brothers…

We all have been fools my friend, and we all have been exploited by the motherlands. Imho the Cyprus problem started even before the Republic of Cyprus was formed in 1960 and it just escalated to today’s situation. It was a game in which Greece wanted to expand (by taking Cyprus or at least a big part of it) and Turkey wanted some extension in the sea. The ones to blame are not really them, but the MAJORITY of us the Cypriots, who supported their plans. When we realised our fault it was too late, we the Gcs realised it crystal clear in 1974, and it took you the Tcs a few years more…

So here we are to todays situation. It is clear that Greece is no longer interested (see their stance during the Anan Plan) whereas Turkey is still using the Tcs for her own plans-most propably to secure her way towards EU. Turkey knows she will never become full member, so she will use Cyprus to get the maximum out of her eventual "special relation".

There is a very strong point in your post that nobody commented so far: there where you talk about "so much wasting of time and lives". Although your views might be in the minority among the TCs, I don’ think any TC disagrees to this.

Yes my friend there has been a waste of the lives of almost 2 generations so far.Notice this waste extends to the Gcs too, especially the refugees. And it seems there will be even more. Surely there won’t be any solution soon, surely Talat will be replaced by Eroglu, and surely more and more TCs (like your son) will abandon the place and be replaced by settlers…

..... Just to add one more point that you left out, if I may. Then join this forum and be verbally abused by the very people who continue to support those ideas from the 50s and 60s.

[Pyrpolizer]

... If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

Are you saying that there are TCs who are so frustrated, they are ready and willing to go to war with Turkey?

Hello Kibrisli Turk

I am really interested in the (theoretical) possibility that there may exist a size-able number of TCs who would put the RoC first and foremost, before Turkey, and would even be willing to go to war against their oppressors.

Unless, I may have misunderstood the above where you say "a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated"?

I wonder, if the RoC supported such a war whether the TCs would fight, alongside the GCs, against the Turks?

I would really appreciate a reply as this possibility represents a glimmer of hope for the future of TCs ....

I don't wish to put words in his mouth, but I think the war he is refering to is between TC and GC, although if he disagrees he will soon tell us.

At the expense of repeating myself yet again, how do you expect the TC to struggle against Turkey if they are totally dependent on her financially. If GRoC had half a cell for a brain, they would remove isolation and help TC economy grow along and with the GRoC economy each depending on the other. It is when the two economies work together that war is impossible. It is also then that the TCs would be able to stand on their own two feet and come out of the wood work to struggle against Turkey and remove her from Cyprus for once and for all. It will not be done via violence, it will be done politically. How can Turkey keep troops there if TRoC parliament wishes otherwise?

The same way they refuse to opening the kokkina crossing (eren koy)

[Pyrpolizer]

The integration of the North of Cyprus into the Republic of Cyprus is not just inevitable, but has already started, leaving us with one real question as Turkish Cypriots, Is Turkey mocking us? I think so.

Here is the evidence of how Cyprus is automatically unifying:

1) Many Turkish Cypriots travel freely to and from the Republic of Cyprus (ROC) on a daily basis to work.

2) Many Turkish Cypriots (at least 22'000 out of a possible 87'000) all hold Republic of Cyprus passports, travel to Europe via Larnaca and consider themselves as a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus when they are abroad particularly in London, Germany, France and etc.

3) The border is gradually being pulled down via the opening of more and more check points on a yearly basis since 2004.

4) The Universities, or at least most of them in the northern part of Cyprus administered by us Turkish Cypriots have very close links with those in the Republic of Cyprus. There is even a department in the University of Cyprus dedicated only to Turkish Studies.

5) The so-called "TRNC" I have lived in all these years is still not recognised, as was promises many moons ago - how funny it is to play with people's lives, particularly in this day an age.

6) As for those Turkish Cypriots who refuse to obtain their rightful Republic of Cyprus passports and citizenship rights before travelling abroad, they are subjected to the same treatment as if they are citizens of non-EU member Turkey. This also requires them to have to apply for Visa from that particular country, and if they are granted, before leaving the "trnc". What a joke in the year 2009.

7) All Turkish Cypriots in the northern area of Cyprus now only talk about buying land is original "Turkish" owned pre-1974 areas! Why? Because the know that the Greek Cypriot original owners will one day return to their land and that we will also be able to return to ous in Larnaca for instance. I gues we can now, but are holding out until a mutual agreement is made.

There are many other reason I can pick on regarding this question, but I find it extremely unfortunate and sad on how Turkey has really tricked us Turkish Cypriots since 1974. Their unfulfilled promises, lies and now our land being occupied by a majority of Turkish settlers.

I see Turkey as a huge coward, one that can't gain the recognition of an area so small as northern Cyprus since 1974 when other countries through intelligent and bold politics have - like the UK in the Falklands and etc. What a bunch of donkeys we Turkish Cypriots have been left with. It's now obvious that President Christofias and Talat will fail once again in the establishment of a Federal model, northern Cyprus will be left alone again until probably the year 2018 or so until Turkey realises what it must do to join the EU and then it, Turkey that is, will do what it should have done in the first place.....remove its troops from Cyprus and re-establish the Cyprus constitution as how it should have done back in 1974 after on a few months of initially intervening.

I don't believe Turkey can, or will be able to gain any recognition of the "TRNC", or have the so called Isolation removed - that is just a lie they have been feeding us Turkish Cypriots to keep us quiet. Turkey is a weak and non-thinking entity when it comes to the Cyprus problem and I hope some of its government officers are reading this posting in a realisation of how fed up, angry and frustrated we Turkish Cypriots are for wasting our lives and our so called born "trnc" children's lives.

My son was born in an unrecognised state. He is now studying in a university in England and has only two passports - A "Republic of Cyprus" passports as he's never coming back to the "TRNC" to live again, and will soon be granted a "British Passport". That's what our Turkish Cypriot politicians have created from their waste of time policies since 1974. If they were not going to push and fight for the recognition of the "TRNC" then why the hell did they bother illegally declare the "TRNC" a republic in 1983. We would have been better to have remained as the "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" until a united model was found where at least we would not have been isolated for so long.

I do not blame the Greek Cypriots for our isolation, but the Turkish government, and our stupid puppet one in the north for wasting so much time and lives. Where has it got us all....exactly, nowhere?

If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

As for what I have said above in point form, I hope the Republic of Cyprus speeds up its property campaign, its opening of the border check points and its issuing of Republic of Cyprus passports to all 87'000 Turkish Cypriot ROC Citizens before Turkey grows a brain!

Hello Kibrisli Turk,

To start with I am a GC who writes occassionally in here. Most of what you say are todays sad realities struck upon the lives of our TC brothers…

We all have been fools my friend, and we all have been exploited by the motherlands. Imho the Cyprus problem started even before the Republic of Cyprus was formed in 1960 and it just escalated to today’s situation. It was a game in which Greece wanted to expand (by taking Cyprus or at least a big part of it) and Turkey wanted some extension in the sea. The ones to blame are not really them, but the MAJORITY of us the Cypriots, who supported their plans. When we realised our fault it was too late, we the Gcs realised it crystal clear in 1974, and it took you the Tcs a few years more…

So here we are to todays situation. It is clear that Greece is no longer interested (see their stance during the Anan Plan) whereas Turkey is still using the Tcs for her own plans-most propably to secure her way towards EU. Turkey knows she will never become full member, so she will use Cyprus to get the maximum out of her eventual "special relation".

There is a very strong point in your post that nobody commented so far: there where you talk about "so much wasting of time and lives". Although your views might be in the minority among the TCs, I don’ think any TC disagrees to this.

Yes my friend there has been a waste of the lives of almost 2 generations so far.Notice this waste extends to the Gcs too, especially the refugees. And it seems there will be even more. Surely there won’t be any solution soon, surely Talat will be replaced by Eroglu, and surely more and more TCs (like your son) will abandon the place and be replaced by settlers…

..... Just to add one more point that you left out, if I may. Then join this forum and be verbally abused by the very people who continue to support those ideas from the 50s and 60s.

I left the forum because I was verbally abused and I was abusing back twice as much.

[denizaksulu]

The integration of the North of Cyprus into the Republic of Cyprus is not just inevitable, but has already started, leaving us with one real question as Turkish Cypriots, Is Turkey mocking us? I think so.

Here is the evidence of how Cyprus is automatically unifying:

1) Many Turkish Cypriots travel freely to and from the Republic of Cyprus (ROC) on a daily basis to work.

2) Many Turkish Cypriots (at least 22'000 out of a possible 87'000) all hold Republic of Cyprus passports, travel to Europe via Larnaca and consider themselves as a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus when they are abroad particularly in London, Germany, France and etc.

3) The border is gradually being pulled down via the opening of more and more check points on a yearly basis since 2004.

4) The Universities, or at least most of them in the northern part of Cyprus administered by us Turkish Cypriots have very close links with those in the Republic of Cyprus. There is even a department in the University of Cyprus dedicated only to Turkish Studies.

5) The so-called "TRNC" I have lived in all these years is still not recognised, as was promises many moons ago - how funny it is to play with people's lives, particularly in this day an age.

6) As for those Turkish Cypriots who refuse to obtain their rightful Republic of Cyprus passports and citizenship rights before travelling abroad, they are subjected to the same treatment as if they are citizens of non-EU member Turkey. This also requires them to have to apply for Visa from that particular country, and if they are granted, before leaving the "trnc". What a joke in the year 2009.

7) All Turkish Cypriots in the northern area of Cyprus now only talk about buying land is original "Turkish" owned pre-1974 areas! Why? Because the know that the Greek Cypriot original owners will one day return to their land and that we will also be able to return to ous in Larnaca for instance. I gues we can now, but are holding out until a mutual agreement is made.

There are many other reason I can pick on regarding this question, but I find it extremely unfortunate and sad on how Turkey has really tricked us Turkish Cypriots since 1974. Their unfulfilled promises, lies and now our land being occupied by a majority of Turkish settlers.

I see Turkey as a huge coward, one that can't gain the recognition of an area so small as northern Cyprus since 1974 when other countries through intelligent and bold politics have - like the UK in the Falklands and etc. What a bunch of donkeys we Turkish Cypriots have been left with. It's now obvious that President Christofias and Talat will fail once again in the establishment of a Federal model, northern Cyprus will be left alone again until probably the year 2018 or so until Turkey realises what it must do to join the EU and then it, Turkey that is, will do what it should have done in the first place.....remove its troops from Cyprus and re-establish the Cyprus constitution as how it should have done back in 1974 after on a few months of initially intervening.

I don't believe Turkey can, or will be able to gain any recognition of the "TRNC", or have the so called Isolation removed - that is just a lie they have been feeding us Turkish Cypriots to keep us quiet. Turkey is a weak and non-thinking entity when it comes to the Cyprus problem and I hope some of its government officers are reading this posting in a realisation of how fed up, angry and frustrated we Turkish Cypriots are for wasting our lives and our so called born "trnc" children's lives.

My son was born in an unrecognised state. He is now studying in a university in England and has only two passports - A "Republic of Cyprus" passports as he's never coming back to the "TRNC" to live again, and will soon be granted a "British Passport". That's what our Turkish Cypriot politicians have created from their waste of time policies since 1974. If they were not going to push and fight for the recognition of the "TRNC" then why the hell did they bother illegally declare the "TRNC" a republic in 1983. We would have been better to have remained as the "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" until a united model was found where at least we would not have been isolated for so long.

I do not blame the Greek Cypriots for our isolation, but the Turkish government, and our stupid puppet one in the north for wasting so much time and lives. Where has it got us all....exactly, nowhere?

If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

As for what I have said above in point form, I hope the Republic of Cyprus speeds up its property campaign, its opening of the border check points and its issuing of Republic of Cyprus passports to all 87'000 Turkish Cypriot ROC Citizens before Turkey grows a brain!

Good post Kibrisli Turk. Keep 'em coming.

[YFred]

The integration of the North of Cyprus into the Republic of Cyprus is not just inevitable, but has already started, leaving us with one real question as Turkish Cypriots, Is Turkey mocking us? I think so.

Here is the evidence of how Cyprus is automatically unifying:

1) Many Turkish Cypriots travel freely to and from the Republic of Cyprus (ROC) on a daily basis to work.

2) Many Turkish Cypriots (at least 22'000 out of a possible 87'000) all hold Republic of Cyprus passports, travel to Europe via Larnaca and consider themselves as a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus when they are abroad particularly in London, Germany, France and etc.

3) The border is gradually being pulled down via the opening of more and more check points on a yearly basis since 2004.

4) The Universities, or at least most of them in the northern part of Cyprus administered by us Turkish Cypriots have very close links with those in the Republic of Cyprus. There is even a department in the University of Cyprus dedicated only to Turkish Studies.

5) The so-called "TRNC" I have lived in all these years is still not recognised, as was promises many moons ago - how funny it is to play with people's lives, particularly in this day an age.

6) As for those Turkish Cypriots who refuse to obtain their rightful Republic of Cyprus passports and citizenship rights before travelling abroad, they are subjected to the same treatment as if they are citizens of non-EU member Turkey. This also requires them to have to apply for Visa from that particular country, and if they are granted, before leaving the "trnc". What a joke in the year 2009.

7) All Turkish Cypriots in the northern area of Cyprus now only talk about buying land is original "Turkish" owned pre-1974 areas! Why? Because the know that the Greek Cypriot original owners will one day return to their land and that we will also be able to return to ous in Larnaca for instance. I gues we can now, but are holding out until a mutual agreement is made.

There are many other reason I can pick on regarding this question, but I find it extremely unfortunate and sad on how Turkey has really tricked us Turkish Cypriots since 1974. Their unfulfilled promises, lies and now our land being occupied by a majority of Turkish settlers.

I see Turkey as a huge coward, one that can't gain the recognition of an area so small as northern Cyprus since 1974 when other countries through intelligent and bold politics have - like the UK in the Falklands and etc. What a bunch of donkeys we Turkish Cypriots have been left with. It's now obvious that President Christofias and Talat will fail once again in the establishment of a Federal model, northern Cyprus will be left alone again until probably the year 2018 or so until Turkey realises what it must do to join the EU and then it, Turkey that is, will do what it should have done in the first place.....remove its troops from Cyprus and re-establish the Cyprus constitution as how it should have done back in 1974 after on a few months of initially intervening.

I don't believe Turkey can, or will be able to gain any recognition of the "TRNC", or have the so called Isolation removed - that is just a lie they have been feeding us Turkish Cypriots to keep us quiet. Turkey is a weak and non-thinking entity when it comes to the Cyprus problem and I hope some of its government officers are reading this posting in a realisation of how fed up, angry and frustrated we Turkish Cypriots are for wasting our lives and our so called born "trnc" children's lives.

My son was born in an unrecognised state. He is now studying in a university in England and has only two passports - A "Republic of Cyprus" passports as he's never coming back to the "TRNC" to live again, and will soon be granted a "British Passport". That's what our Turkish Cypriot politicians have created from their waste of time policies since 1974. If they were not going to push and fight for the recognition of the "TRNC" then why the hell did they bother illegally declare the "TRNC" a republic in 1983. We would have been better to have remained as the "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" until a united model was found where at least we would not have been isolated for so long.

I do not blame the Greek Cypriots for our isolation, but the Turkish government, and our stupid puppet one in the north for wasting so much time and lives. Where has it got us all....exactly, nowhere?

If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

As for what I have said above in point form, I hope the Republic of Cyprus speeds up its property campaign, its opening of the border check points and its issuing of Republic of Cyprus passports to all 87'000 Turkish Cypriot ROC Citizens before Turkey grows a brain!

Hello Kibrisli Turk,

To start with I am a GC who writes occassionally in here. Most of what you say are todays sad realities struck upon the lives of our TC brothers…

We all have been fools my friend, and we all have been exploited by the motherlands. Imho the Cyprus problem started even before the Republic of Cyprus was formed in 1960 and it just escalated to today’s situation. It was a game in which Greece wanted to expand (by taking Cyprus or at least a big part of it) and Turkey wanted some extension in the sea. The ones to blame are not really them, but the MAJORITY of us the Cypriots, who supported their plans. When we realised our fault it was too late, we the Gcs realised it crystal clear in 1974, and it took you the Tcs a few years more…

So here we are to todays situation. It is clear that Greece is no longer interested (see their stance during the Anan Plan) whereas Turkey is still using the Tcs for her own plans-most propably to secure her way towards EU. Turkey knows she will never become full member, so she will use Cyprus to get the maximum out of her eventual "special relation".

There is a very strong point in your post that nobody commented so far: there where you talk about "so much wasting of time and lives". Although your views might be in the minority among the TCs, I don’ think any TC disagrees to this.

Yes my friend there has been a waste of the lives of almost 2 generations so far.Notice this waste extends to the Gcs too, especially the refugees. And it seems there will be even more. Surely there won’t be any solution soon, surely Talat will be replaced by Eroglu, and surely more and more TCs (like your son) will abandon the place and be replaced by settlers…

..... Just to add one more point that you left out, if I may. Then join this forum and be verbally abused by the very people who continue to support those ideas from the 50s and 60s.

I left the forum because I was verbally abused and I was abusing back twice as much.

I am going through it, but they will not push me out.

[Pyrpolizer]

The integration of the North of Cyprus into the Republic of Cyprus is not just inevitable, but has already started, leaving us with one real question as Turkish Cypriots, Is Turkey mocking us? I think so.

Here is the evidence of how Cyprus is automatically unifying:

1) Many Turkish Cypriots travel freely to and from the Republic of Cyprus (ROC) on a daily basis to work.

2) Many Turkish Cypriots (at least 22'000 out of a possible 87'000) all hold Republic of Cyprus passports, travel to Europe via Larnaca and consider themselves as a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus when they are abroad particularly in London, Germany, France and etc.

3) The border is gradually being pulled down via the opening of more and more check points on a yearly basis since 2004.

4) The Universities, or at least most of them in the northern part of Cyprus administered by us Turkish Cypriots have very close links with those in the Republic of Cyprus. There is even a department in the University of Cyprus dedicated only to Turkish Studies.

5) The so-called "TRNC" I have lived in all these years is still not recognised, as was promises many moons ago - how funny it is to play with people's lives, particularly in this day an age.

6) As for those Turkish Cypriots who refuse to obtain their rightful Republic of Cyprus passports and citizenship rights before travelling abroad, they are subjected to the same treatment as if they are citizens of non-EU member Turkey. This also requires them to have to apply for Visa from that particular country, and if they are granted, before leaving the "trnc". What a joke in the year 2009.

7) All Turkish Cypriots in the northern area of Cyprus now only talk about buying land is original "Turkish" owned pre-1974 areas! Why? Because the know that the Greek Cypriot original owners will one day return to their land and that we will also be able to return to ous in Larnaca for instance. I gues we can now, but are holding out until a mutual agreement is made.

There are many other reason I can pick on regarding this question, but I find it extremely unfortunate and sad on how Turkey has really tricked us Turkish Cypriots since 1974. Their unfulfilled promises, lies and now our land being occupied by a majority of Turkish settlers.

I see Turkey as a huge coward, one that can't gain the recognition of an area so small as northern Cyprus since 1974 when other countries through intelligent and bold politics have - like the UK in the Falklands and etc. What a bunch of donkeys we Turkish Cypriots have been left with. It's now obvious that President Christofias and Talat will fail once again in the establishment of a Federal model, northern Cyprus will be left alone again until probably the year 2018 or so until Turkey realises what it must do to join the EU and then it, Turkey that is, will do what it should have done in the first place.....remove its troops from Cyprus and re-establish the Cyprus constitution as how it should have done back in 1974 after on a few months of initially intervening.

I don't believe Turkey can, or will be able to gain any recognition of the "TRNC", or have the so called Isolation removed - that is just a lie they have been feeding us Turkish Cypriots to keep us quiet. Turkey is a weak and non-thinking entity when it comes to the Cyprus problem and I hope some of its government officers are reading this posting in a realisation of how fed up, angry and frustrated we Turkish Cypriots are for wasting our lives and our so called born "trnc" children's lives.

My son was born in an unrecognised state. He is now studying in a university in England and has only two passports - A "Republic of Cyprus" passports as he's never coming back to the "TRNC" to live again, and will soon be granted a "British Passport". That's what our Turkish Cypriot politicians have created from their waste of time policies since 1974. If they were not going to push and fight for the recognition of the "TRNC" then why the hell did they bother illegally declare the "TRNC" a republic in 1983. We would have been better to have remained as the "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" until a united model was found where at least we would not have been isolated for so long.

I do not blame the Greek Cypriots for our isolation, but the Turkish government, and our stupid puppet one in the north for wasting so much time and lives. Where has it got us all....exactly, nowhere?

If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

As for what I have said above in point form, I hope the Republic of Cyprus speeds up its property campaign, its opening of the border check points and its issuing of Republic of Cyprus passports to all 87'000 Turkish Cypriot ROC Citizens before Turkey grows a brain!

Hello Kibrisli Turk,

To start with I am a GC who writes occassionally in here. Most of what you say are todays sad realities struck upon the lives of our TC brothers…

We all have been fools my friend, and we all have been exploited by the motherlands. Imho the Cyprus problem started even before the Republic of Cyprus was formed in 1960 and it just escalated to today’s situation. It was a game in which Greece wanted to expand (by taking Cyprus or at least a big part of it) and Turkey wanted some extension in the sea. The ones to blame are not really them, but the MAJORITY of us the Cypriots, who supported their plans. When we realised our fault it was too late, we the Gcs realised it crystal clear in 1974, and it took you the Tcs a few years more…

So here we are to todays situation. It is clear that Greece is no longer interested (see their stance during the Anan Plan) whereas Turkey is still using the Tcs for her own plans-most propably to secure her way towards EU. Turkey knows she will never become full member, so she will use Cyprus to get the maximum out of her eventual "special relation".

There is a very strong point in your post that nobody commented so far: there where you talk about "so much wasting of time and lives". Although your views might be in the minority among the TCs, I don’ think any TC disagrees to this.

Yes my friend there has been a waste of the lives of almost 2 generations so far.Notice this waste extends to the Gcs too, especially the refugees. And it seems there will be even more. Surely there won’t be any solution soon, surely Talat will be replaced by Eroglu, and surely more and more TCs (like your son) will abandon the place and be replaced by settlers…

..... Just to add one more point that you left out, if I may. Then join this forum and be verbally abused by the very people who continue to support those ideas from the 50s and 60s.

I left the forum because I was verbally abused and I was abusing back twice as much.

I am going through it, but they will not push me out.

Haha, nice one. Keep on the good fight bro.

[Christine Toskos]

Fred: Many "real" Turkish Cypriots or should I say most feel that enough is enough being enslaved by Turkey. They want true freedom. Turkish troops and settlers to leave this island and freedom to live and work with us. But the more I read what you write the more I believe you are the enslaver and not a Cypriot at all.