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[YFred]

Excellent post, Kibrisli Turk. It's good to read such a clear and honest perspective from a T/C on the situation in the north. It certainly makes a change from the deluded and paranoid ravings of some of your compatriots.

Some of his compatriots? Not just a single TC agrees with Kibrisli Türk on this forum and in TC community he even does'nt represent the political stance of socialist TCs that constitute abt %2 of TC people.

Thanks for the correction. I should have said the "deluded and paranoid ravings of most of your compatriots". I'm glad you acknowledge the difference.

Don't be ridiculous, Hermes. Anyone and anything that suits ur national interests r warmly welcomed; anyone and anything against ur national interests harshly and illiteratly described "deluded and paranoid ravings of most of your compatriots".

You make my point for me far better than I could. You associate your "national interests" with an occupying army that has led you into isolation, despair and international pariah status. Way to go, pal. At least one T/C is fed up with the lies and propaganda and tells it like it is.

Have TCs had some 20.000 TC national Guard and 130.000 reservists the sitution would have been the same.. it has nothing to do with Turkish troops stationed in TRNC.

When TCs began struggling against GC domination and their rights in Cyprus; there was no Turkey yet...

U owe the legitimacy of so-called RoC to the extra-ordinary political circumstances especially in Greece and in Mediterennean region. Super Powers granted legitimacy to the so-called Roc, just for the sake of keeping Greece in Nato and cooperating with her for the interests of alliance over Balkans.

Simple as that... but nothing lasts forevers... everything changes when the circumstances change...

Just to emphesise what you just said Insan, I have this song from 1974. How appropriate.

[Hermes]

Have TCs had some 20.000 TC national Guard and 130.000 reservists the sitution would have been the same.. it has nothing to do with Turkish troops stationed in TRNC.

When TCs began struggling against GC domination and their rights in Cyprus; there was no Turkey yet...

U owe the legitimacy of so-called RoC to the extra-ordinary political circumstances especially in Greece and in Mediterennean region. Super Powers granted legitimacy to the so-called Roc, just for the sake of keeping Greece in Nato and cooperating with her for the interests of alliance over Balkans.

Simple as that... but nothing lasts forevers... everything changes when the circumstances change...

Stop it, insan. Do you really believe the paranoid nonsense you post? Or are you writing this from the funny farm? Seriously, mate, you need to get out more.

[insan]

Have TCs had some 20.000 TC national Guard and 130.000 reservists the sitution would have been the same.. it has nothing to do with Turkish troops stationed in TRNC.

When TCs began struggling against GC domination and their rights in Cyprus; there was no Turkey yet...

U owe the legitimacy of so-called RoC to the extra-ordinary political circumstances especially in Greece and in Mediterennean region. Super Powers granted legitimacy to the so-called Roc, just for the sake of keeping Greece in Nato and cooperating with her for the interests of alliance over Balkans.

Simple as that... but nothing lasts forevers... everything changes when the circumstances change...

Stop it, insan. Do you really believe the paranoid nonsense you post? Or are you writing this from the funny farm? Seriously, mate, you need to get out more.

Paranoid? Don't be ridiculous, Hermes. Just a logical and factual conclusion.

[humanist]

Turkey is mocking you more than you think, it is actually oppressing you and there are some fanatics that stil believe that Turkey has the best interest of the TC's.

[bill cobbett]

As is to be expected, the Usual Suspects gather and conspire to belittle, downplay, condemn and drown out a more Progressive Tissy who has been brave enough to honestly tell us how they feel.

We saw exactly the same sort of thing with a tissy member at the back end of last year. Forgive me but the nick escapes me but who spoke at length and with passion in several posts and who was repaid for his honesty with outrageous and very personal attacks.

VP, in particular, singled out this chap with the usual venomous spewings.

(a belated wecome to CF, KT)

[insan]

As is yo be expected, the Usual Suspect gather and conspire to belittle, downplay, condemn and drown out a more Progressive Tissy who has been brave enough to honestly tell us how they feel.

We saw exactly the same sort of thing with a tissy member at the back end of last year. Forgive me but the nick escapes me but who spoke at length and with passion in several posts and who was repaid for his honesty with outrageous and very personal attacks.

(a belated wecome to CF, KT)

So, u mean other TCs r not honest and brave to tell their feelings and opinions? Who were those TCs struggling against Enosis and GC domination in 30s, 40s 50s and 60s long before Kıbrıslı Turk born? Don't be ridiculous, Billy Cap.

Anything goes how it suits ur national interests.. How ridiculous!

[insan]

Turkey is mocking you more than you think, it is actually oppressing you and there are some fanatics that stil believe that Turkey has the best interest of the TC's.

How it happens more than we think? How can u judge Turkey better than any TC?

[bill cobbett]

As is yo be expected, the Usual Suspect gather and conspire to belittle, downplay, condemn and drown out a more Progressive Tissy who has been brave enough to honestly tell us how they feel.

We saw exactly the same sort of thing with a tissy member at the back end of last year. Forgive me but the nick escapes me but who spoke at length and with passion in several posts and who was repaid for his honesty with outrageous and very personal attacks.

(a belated wecome to CF, KT)

So, u mean other TCs r not honest and brave to tell their feelings and opinions? Who were those TCs struggling against Enosis and GC domination in 30s, 40s 50s and 60s long before Kıbrıslı Turk born? Don't be ridiculous, Billy Cap.

Anything goes how it suits ur national interests.. How ridiculous!

NO Mate, that's not what I said.

I said, and will further say, amongst other things, that KT has spoken honestly and that you and others see him/her as an internal threat, so much so, that you seek to distract from the substance of the OP. Something you are proving by your own posts.

Now talk about the substance of KT's contribution and stop trying to stifle honest and worthwhile debate with your squirming meanderings. You should know better. Let the chap/chapess speak freely Insan, that's all I ask.

[bill cobbett]

Forgive me but I recall the tissy of last year who tried to speak to us and who got the bad treatment I refer to above was something like Veryan (?).

[YFred]

... If our leaders fail to unify the island before next April and Eroglu gets into power, then I believe that either a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated or we will be forced to live under the Republic of Turkey, which would be a disaster.

Are you saying that there are TCs who are so frustrated, they are ready and willing to go to war with Turkey?

Hello Kibrisli Turk

I am really interested in the (theoretical) possibility that there may exist a size-able number of TCs who would put the RoC first and foremost, before Turkey, and would even be willing to go to war against their oppressors.

Unless, I may have misunderstood the above where you say "a war is going to break out as we Turkish Cypriots are frustrated"?

I wonder, if the RoC supported such a war whether the TCs would fight, alongside the GCs, against the Turks?

I would really appreciate a reply as this possibility represents a glimmer of hope for the future of TCs ....

I don't wish to put words in his mouth, but I think the war he is refering to is between TC and GC, although if he disagrees he will soon tell us.

At the expense of repeating myself yet again, how do you expect the TC to struggle against Turkey if they are totally dependent on her financially. If GRoC had half a cell for a brain, they would remove isolation and help TC economy grow along and with the GRoC economy each depending on the other. It is when the two economies work together that war is impossible. It is also then that the TCs would be able to stand on their own two feet and come out of the wood work to struggle against Turkey and remove her from Cyprus for once and for all. It will not be done via violence, it will be done politically. How can Turkey keep troops there if TRoC parliament wishes otherwise?