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"Occupation", GC ILLUSION!

Postby MrH » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:45 am

"Occupation" ONLY a Greek Cypriot illusion only.

It is true that it's ONLY the Greek Cypriots (and Greece, what a difference!) who see Northern Cyprus "as an area inaccessible due to the Turkish Occupation".

If the above was to be true then why is Christofias sitting around the table with the "Turkish Cypriot leader" of Northern Cyprus discussing a new Cyprus Resolution, clearing the ENTIRE island has an outstanding issue though the eyes of the EU and UN, but only because the Greek Cypriots see it that way - as the EU and UN don't really care about the Type or form of a "Cyprus" resolution. I wonder if the Greek Cypriots have ever taken note of that fact?

As for the term "Occupation", the EU has never, and does not mention such a term in any one of its reports concerning 1) Turkey's EU Candidacy application 2) Nor when it refers to the territory known now internationally as "Northern Cyprus". Just check out the OIC's recognition of Northern Cyprus as the "Turkish Cypriot State for instance - that is all 56 members, including the ones that the GC Adminsitered ROC has signed business ventures with.......how funny!

If the EU had taken the term "Occupation" seriously and literally, without obviously understanding why the Greek Cypriots wrongly utter such a term; primarily because the Greek Cypriots dismiss all of their wrong doings to the Turkish Cypriots prior to the 15th July Coup in 1974 and then followed by the Turkish intervention, then TURKEY, under NO circumstance(s) would have, or COULD have possibly become an EU Member Candidate.

The EU also notes that the "Republic of Cyprus" administered by a Greek Cypriot government only does not have effective control over its "Northern Territory" - OBVIOUSLY PENDING a SOLUTION to the Cyprus problem.

Therefore, this leads us to the fact that the EU actually admits to its mistake of allowing the current Greek Cypriot administered Republic of Cyprus into the EU as representing the entire island, without effective control over the Northern Territory, and is basically in desperate need to wrap this entire MESS up as swiftly as possible. Hence, why it doesn't care about what kind of agreement is reach.

However, due to the "Imperfect" 1960 Constitution and its accompanying Zurich agreements and etc, Turkey has this Cyprus situation by its throat and will never let go until a FAIR and WORKABLE solution is found - like for instance a solution based on two states, like one based on the later Yugoslavian and Czech/Slovak mutual split models. The EU is not stupid my Greek Cypriot friends; they know HOW Cyprus will eventually be best administered (without internal trouble or conflict), by an EU point of view, as two republic states as WE ALL have proven that WE (Greek and Turkish Cypriots with our Bloody history and continued mistrust) can not live under the roof/government of the other.

PERIOD! or is it?
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:59 am

Dont worry Mr H Turkey will never get in the EU until it removes it's troops and allows the GC's to return. So stop trying to legalize you puppet state.
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Re: "Occupation", GC ILLUSION!

Postby zan » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:01 pm

MrH wrote:"Occupation" ONLY a Greek Cypriot illusion only.

It is true that it's ONLY the Greek Cypriots (and Greece, what a difference!) who see Northern Cyprus "as an area inaccessible due to the Turkish Occupation".

If the above was to be true then why is Christofias sitting around the table with the "Turkish Cypriot leader" of Northern Cyprus discussing a new Cyprus Resolution, clearing the ENTIRE island has an outstanding issue though the eyes of the EU and UN, but only because the Greek Cypriots see it that way - as the EU and UN don't really care about the Type or form of a "Cyprus" resolution. I wonder if the Greek Cypriots have ever taken note of that fact?

As for the term "Occupation", the EU has never, and does not mention such a term in any one of its reports concerning 1) Turkey's EU Candidacy application 2) Nor when it refers to the territory known now internationally as "Northern Cyprus". Just check out the OIC's recognition of Northern Cyprus as the "Turkish Cypriot State for instance - that is all 56 members, including the ones that the GC Adminsitered ROC has signed business ventures with.......how funny!

If the EU had taken the term "Occupation" seriously and literally, without obviously understanding why the Greek Cypriots wrongly utter such a term; primarily because the Greek Cypriots dismiss all of their wrong doings to the Turkish Cypriots prior to the 15th July Coup in 1974 and then followed by the Turkish intervention, then TURKEY, under NO circumstance(s) would have, or COULD have possibly become an EU Member Candidate.

The EU also notes that the "Republic of Cyprus" administered by a Greek Cypriot government only does not have effective control over its "Northern Territory" - OBVIOUSLY PENDING a SOLUTION to the Cyprus problem.

Therefore, this leads us to the fact that the EU actually admits to its mistake of allowing the current Greek Cypriot administered Republic of Cyprus into the EU as representing the entire island, without effective control over the Northern Territory, and is basically in desperate need to wrap this entire MESS up as swiftly as possible. Hence, why it doesn't care about what kind of agreement is reach.

However, due to the "Imperfect" 1960 Constitution and its accompanying Zurich agreements and etc, Turkey has this Cyprus situation by its throat and will never let go until a FAIR and WORKABLE solution is found - like for instance a solution based on two states, like one based on the later Yugoslavian and Czech/Slovak mutual split models. The EU is not stupid my Greek Cypriot friends; they know HOW Cyprus will eventually be best administered (without internal trouble or conflict), by an EU point of view, as two republic states as WE ALL have proven that WE (Greek and Turkish Cypriots with our Bloody history and continued mistrust) can not live under the roof/government of the other.

PERIOD! or is it?


How are you Mr.H....Hope all is well.

The TCs all over the word have finally woken up and realise their worth and strength...:wink:

Wait until TUrkey gets pissed off at the EU for good and then starts to harass Greek businesses all over the world..We shall see then who has greater influence and buying power!!!
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:02 pm

Dream on Zan.
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Re: "Occupation", GC ILLUSION!

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:40 pm

MrH wrote:"Occupation" ONLY a Greek Cypriot illusion only.


Not an illusion for the internationally recognised RoC, EU, UN, ECHR, ECJ, US, Australia, Canada, NZ, Russia, China et al.

What are you talking about...:lol:

It is true that it's ONLY the Greek Cypriots (and Greece, what a difference!) who see Northern Cyprus "as an area inaccessible due to the Turkish Occupation".


Wrong again!

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

If the above was to be true then why is Christofias sitting around the table with the "Turkish Cypriot leader" of Northern Cyprus discussing a new Cyprus Resolution, clearing the ENTIRE island has an outstanding issue though the eyes of the EU and UN, but only because the Greek Cypriots see it that way - as the EU and UN don't really care about the Type or form of a "Cyprus" resolution. I wonder if the Greek Cypriots have ever taken note of that fact?


The above is not true, but I will indeed indulge you.

Christofias is at the negotiating table because he genuinely wants a solution to the Cyprus Problem that is fair to all citizens as Equals. Turkey does not want this.

The UN are supporting a Cyprus solution authored by Cypriots for Cypriots. So the only solution the UN wants is one that it is accepted by the Cypriot people.

As for the term "Occupation", the EU has never, and does not mention such a term in any one of its reports concerning 1) Turkey's EU Candidacy application 2) Nor when it refers to the territory known now internationally as "Northern Cyprus". Just check out the OIC's recognition of Northern Cyprus as the "Turkish Cypriot State for instance - that is all 56 members, including the ones that the GC Adminsitered ROC has signed business ventures with.......how funny!


Yes it does.

The ECHR, ECJ and the EU have mentioned Turkey's continued occupation of Cyprus and calls on Turkey to open its ports, and airspace to Cypriot registered ships and aircraft and withdraw its occupation forces.

If the EU had taken the term "Occupation" seriously and literally, without obviously understanding why the Greek Cypriots wrongly utter such a term; primarily because the Greek Cypriots dismiss all of their wrong doings to the Turkish Cypriots prior to the 15th July Coup in 1974 and then followed by the Turkish intervention, then TURKEY, under NO circumstance(s) would have, or COULD have possibly become an EU Member Candidate.


How can the EU not take the term seriously when there are countless UN resolutions condemning Turkey's invasion of Cyprus and continued occupation?

You must be mistaken...Obviously!

The EU also notes that the "Republic of Cyprus" administered by a Greek Cypriot government only does not have effective control over its "Northern Territory" - OBVIOUSLY PENDING a SOLUTION to the Cyprus problem.[/qoute]

That's because the EU only recognizes the RoC's legal ownership over territories that are occupied.

All EU maps include all of Cyprus as part of the RoC despite the RoC not exercising effective control over occupied lands for the time being.

Therefore, this leads us to the fact that the EU actually admits to its mistake of allowing the current Greek Cypriot administered Republic of Cyprus into the EU as representing the entire island, without effective control over the Northern Territory, and is basically in desperate need to wrap this entire MESS up as swiftly as possible. Hence, why it doesn't care about what kind of agreement is reach.


The EU is quite happy with the RoC. Everything is hunky dory...

In fact, the EU did state that Cyprus is a nation that could effortlessly meet all EU criteria, and that it should not be punished or excluded just because it was invaded and is occupied by Turkey illegally.

However, due to the "Imperfect" 1960 Constitution and its accompanying Zurich agreements and etc, Turkey has this Cyprus situation by its throat and will never let go until a FAIR and WORKABLE solution is found - like for instance a solution based on two states, like one based on the later Yugoslavian and Czech/Slovak mutual split models. The EU is not stupid my Greek Cypriot friends; they know HOW Cyprus will eventually be best administered (without internal trouble or conflict), by an EU point of view, as two republic states as WE ALL have proven that WE (Greek and Turkish Cypriots with our Bloody history and continued mistrust) can not live under the roof/government of the other.

PERIOD! or is it?


We will never hand over ownership of OUR lands to Turkey or to the TCs.

We will maintain OUR state and legitimacy until a just and workable solution is found.

Until then, rot in your isolation boys... 8)
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Re: "Occupation", GC ILLUSION!

Postby alexISS » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:43 pm

zan wrote:Wait until TUrkey gets pissed off at the EU for good and then starts to harass Greek businesses all over the world..

which will lead to the EU ending the customs union with Turkey

zan wrote:We shall see then who has greater influence and buying power!!!

Oh yes we shall... The Greek owned merchant fleet alone is worth more than Turkey to the rest of the world :lol:
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Re: "Occupation", GC ILLUSION!

Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:45 pm

alexISS wrote:
zan wrote:Wait until TUrkey gets pissed off at the EU for good and then starts to harass Greek businesses all over the world..

which will lead to the EU ending the customs union with Turkey

zan wrote:We shall see then who has greater influence and buying power!!!

Oh yes we shall... The Greek owned merchant fleet alone is worth more than Turkey to the rest of the world :lol:


The Cypriot Merchant Fleet as well Alexis.... :D
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Re: "Occupation", GC ILLUSION!

Postby alexISS » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:53 pm

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Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:35 pm

Chinese state shipping corporation, COSCO, could have chosen any place in Europe to build its container terminal, it chose Piraeus port, becaue it realises the power of Greek shipping.

Is this the kind of deal that Turkey will oppose?

Someone has not been doing his reading and researching, the EU has repeatedly talked of invasion and occupation. The EU does not accept members who do not accept the resolution of their disputes by judicial means which means ECHR, the European Court of Justice and the International Court a the Hague.

Turkey has had numerous judgements against it at the ECHR which cite occupation and invasion. Obviously you have heard of those cases.
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Postby humanist » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:54 pm

I am trying not to say that all Turks are idiots because there are a couple of TC's on here whom I consider intelligent and wonderful people and given the opportunity would love to meet them.

But how can comments such as "occupation GC illusion" make me wonder. You dumb arse the UN and the whole of the globe have recognised that Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 and it's illegally occupying 1/3 of the Island perpetrating dominance and power over the TC's themselves and violating the human rights of 200,000 people and their descendants.
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