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Miscalculations, incompetence and lies! Poor Cyprus.

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Postby insan » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:34 pm

Nikitas wrote:Grivas died in January 1974. We cannot blame the coup on him.


Yes but he was alive when Ioannides organised a coup d'etat and, on November 25, overthrew Papadopoulos and installed his friend and fellow Epirote, Phaedon Gizikis, as President of Greece.

Most probably, Ionnides; after finishing his job in Greece made plans with Grivas to overthrow Makarios. After Grivas' death, Ionnides gave the mission to Sampson to overthrow Makarios with a Coup D'etat.

Sampson was right to deny the claims regarding his involvement with planing the coup. It seems more likely to me that the plan of coup was made by Ionnides and Grivas...
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Postby YFred » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:39 pm

Nikitas wrote:Grivas died in January 1974. We cannot blame the coup on him.

Come on Nikitas, who do you suppose did all he planning? And why are his records not published to see how involved he was?
Have you heard of the phrase he ordered it from his grave?
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:42 pm

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9. When asked for specifics on MAKARIOS, Ioannides stated that according to Greek information, MAKARIOS was alive and in hands of British at Episkopi Base; he had gone there with assistance of Canadians and British on island.

10. At this point Ioannides summed up as follows:

A) He stressed that he too had a God; he was definitely not anti-American; “even a jackass needed a post to be tied to” and in his case it was the U.S.

B) His hasty decision on 13 July might have been stupid. Instead of abandoning Cyprus and letting U.S. worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots. :lol:


C) Greece would do whatever was necessary to preserve its national identity and to stay anti-Communist. If this meant keeping Yiaros open it would stay open as long as it was necessary and he would accept no static from anyone on this score. Indeed, he had instructed a Greek official to tell British officially that whenever the British let Irish political prisoners out of British jails, he would free the forty-two Greek political prisoners on Yiaros.




It seems like, US administration warned Ionnides to withdraw his fascist officers from Cyprus, on 13th of July... but he, by himself decided to protect the US interest and supposedly saved US "worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots." :lol:

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -76v30/d88

What do u think, Oracle? Does it seem like a conspiracy of CIA and Turkey?

It has never been in the interests of US, CIA or Kissinger to lead 2 countries into a conflict or a war... Claiming the otherwise is pure galimatias...


Insan those are precisely the propaganda cover-ups which the release of the secret documents may help clarify ...

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New documents link Kissinger to two 1970s coups

Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane

June 26, 2007

Release of CIA’s ‘Family Jewels’ provides insight into political juggernaut and Bush Administration adviser

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger pushed for the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus and allowed arms to be moved to Ankara for an attack on that island in reaction to a coup sponsored by the Greek junta, according to documents and intelligence officers with close knowledge of the event.

Nearly 700 pages of highly classified Central Intelligence Agency reports from the 1970's, known collectively as the "Family Jewels," are slated for public release today.

However, the National Security Archive had previously obtained four related documents through the Freedom of Information Act and made them public Friday.

“In all the world the things that hurt us the most are the CIA business and Turkey aid,” Kissinger declares in one of those documents, a White House memorandum of a conversation from Feb. 20, 1975. On the surface, the comment seems innocuous, but the context as well as the time period suggests Kissinger had abetted illegal financial aid and arms support to Turkey for its 1974 Cyprus invasion.

In July and August of 1974, Turkey staged a military invasion of the island nation of Cyprus, taking over nearly a third of the island and creating a divide between the south and north. Most historians consider that Kissinger – then Secretary of State and National Security Advisor to President Gerald Ford – not only knew about the planned attack on Cyprus, but encouraged it.

Some Greek Cypriots believed then, and still believe, that the invasion was a deliberate plot on the part of Britain and the US to maintain their influence on the island, which was particularly important as a listening post in the Eastern Mediterranean in the wake of the October 1973 War between Israel, Egypt, Jordan and Syria.

According to columnist Christopher Hitchens, author of the book The Trial of Henry Kissinger, "At the time, many Greeks believed that the significant thing was that [Prime Minister Bulent] Ecevit had been a pupil of Kissinger's at Harvard."

Several intelligence sources, who wished to remain anonymous to maintain the security of their identity, confirmed to RAW STORY that Kissinger both pushed for the Turkish invasion of Cyprus and allowed arms to be moved to Ankara.

However, a former CIA officer who was working in Turkey at the time, suggests that Kissinger's statement in the memorandum about Turkish aid likely means the Ford administration, following Kissinger’s advice, conducted business under the table with right-wing ultra-nationalist General Kenan Evren, who later dissolved Parliament and became the dictator of Turkey in a 1980 coup.

“The implication is that the US government was dealing directly with General Evren and circumventing the [democratically elected] Turkish government,” the former CIA officer said. “This was authorized by Kissinger, because they were nervous about Ecevit, who was a Social Democrat.”
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Postby insan » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:52 pm

It's been 2 years since those so-called CIA!S "family jewels" were released... where r they, Oracle. Tell us please we wish to read those "family jevels"... :lol:

Several intelligence sources, who wished to remain anonymous to maintain the security of their identity, confirmed to RAW STORY that Kissinger both pushed for the Turkish invasion of Cyprus and allowed arms to be moved to Ankara.


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Intellige ... _0626.html

Let me make up another story by using those so-called "Several intelligence sources".... Plx. :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:25 am

insan wrote:It's been 2 years since those so-called CIA!S "family jewels" were released... where r they, Oracle. Tell us please we wish to read those "family jevels"... :lol:

Several intelligence sources, who wished to remain anonymous to maintain the security of their identity, confirmed to RAW STORY that Kissinger both pushed for the Turkish invasion of Cyprus and allowed arms to be moved to Ankara.


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Intellige ... _0626.html

Let me make up another story by using those so-called "Several intelligence sources".... Plx. :lol:


That's the link I put in my opening post, with the article which came out today. I never said the "family jewels" story came out today ... I posted the above, from the link on my opening post, just to show you why your 30 year old story was no longer valid.

You seem to have difficulty putting things into perspective, don't you! :roll:
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Re: Miscalculations, incompetence and lies! Poor Cyprus.

Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:25 am

Oracle wrote:Henry Kissinger and Cyprus: A War Crime?

What's the hurry? He's only 86... :lol:
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Re: Miscalculations, incompetence and lies! Poor Cyprus.

Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:31 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Henry Kissinger and Cyprus: A War Crime?

What's the hurry? He's only 86... :lol:


And I hope he lives another 86 years if it means he can get what he deserves when the full extent of his machinations are revealed .... :roll: ... Gawd, he could almost make me start hating Jews.
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Re: Miscalculations, incompetence and lies! Poor Cyprus.

Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:32 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Henry Kissinger and Cyprus: A War Crime?

What's the hurry? He's only 86... :lol:


And I hope he lives another 86 years if it means he can get what he deserves when the full extent of his machinations are revealed .... :roll: ... Gawd, he could almost make me start hating Jews.

I admire your tolerance of Jews... :?
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Postby insan » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:47 am

Here's all 700 pages of "family jewels", let's examine them together... I'm on page 282 and haven't come across something related...

http://www.foia.cia.gov/browse_docs_full.asp

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Re: Miscalculations, incompetence and lies! Poor Cyprus.

Postby Oracle » Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:47 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Henry Kissinger and Cyprus: A War Crime?

What's the hurry? He's only 86... :lol:


And I hope he lives another 86 years if it means he can get what he deserves when the full extent of his machinations are revealed .... :roll: ... Gawd, he could almost make me start hating Jews.

I admire your tolerance of Jews... :?


I always used to think Jews were like us in a lot of ways since I tended to gravitate to them as friends, more so than to TCs, whilst in London. Imagine my horror when I found out about Zionism, later in my twenties ... they don't seem like the same people.
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