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Re: Makarios Droushiotis...

Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:35 pm

cymart wrote:Is one of the best G.C. journalists who can see the Cyprus problem from an unbiased viewpoint so I thank Oracle for making this posting,even though I realise I made her very upset with some of my previous comments!


If we differ on some view, it doesn't mean I'm "upset". Similarly, I didn't post this because I think one way or the other about anyone being "one of the best GC journalists" ... But what is interesting about this (whole) article is that there isn't a single mention of Greece!

The warmongers were Turkey and CIA...
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Good people are always pilloried!

Postby cymart » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:45 pm

Seems it has always been this way!The truth is too painful for those whose ideas are illusions...
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Re: Makarios Droushiotis...

Postby insan » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:59 pm

Oracle wrote:
cymart wrote:Is one of the best G.C. journalists who can see the Cyprus problem from an unbiased viewpoint so I thank Oracle for making this posting,even though I realise I made her very upset with some of my previous comments!


If we differ on some view, it doesn't mean I'm "upset". Similarly, I didn't post this because I think one way or the other about anyone being "one of the best GC journalists" ... But what is interesting about this (whole) article is that there isn't a single mention of Greece!

The warmongers were Turkey and CIA...


There isn't a single mention of Greece.. yeah... that's waht makes him the best GC journalist. Mama Greece admires him a lot because of his "unbiased" viewpoint.
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Postby insan » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:06 pm

In his book "The United States and the Making of Modern Greece, History and Power, 1950-1974", american historian James Miller supports that the State Department knew what was going to happen: Kissinger was actually informed about the actions of Grivas, leader of EOKA 'B, who in co-operation with Athens' colonels planned the July 15th coup d'etat against Archbishop Makarios.


Hmmm... when did this man(Grivas) die? Before or after the coup? :?
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Re: Makarios Droushiotis...

Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:12 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
cymart wrote:Is one of the best G.C. journalists who can see the Cyprus problem from an unbiased viewpoint so I thank Oracle for making this posting,even though I realise I made her very upset with some of my previous comments!


If we differ on some view, it doesn't mean I'm "upset". Similarly, I didn't post this because I think one way or the other about anyone being "one of the best GC journalists" ... But what is interesting about this (whole) article is that there isn't a single mention of Greece!

The warmongers were Turkey and CIA...


There isn't a single mention of Greece.. yeah... that's waht makes him the best GC journalist. Mama Greece admires him a lot because of his "unbiased" viewpoint.


You don't know what you are talking about. The article was an American Chronicle write-up by Nicolas Mottas and there is a mention of a "GC journalist" but he's not the instigator of the article. I don't think "Mama Greece" has ever heard of him :lol:

But what is it you don't like, insan? The fact that the FACTS are coming out now?
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:14 pm

zan wrote:Were there any UN reports and resolutions for the period 1963 to 74 :twisted:


Nope, nothing significant. Just a few grumblings from Turks wanting it all!
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Re: Makarios Droushiotis...

Postby insan » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:40 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
cymart wrote:Is one of the best G.C. journalists who can see the Cyprus problem from an unbiased viewpoint so I thank Oracle for making this posting,even though I realise I made her very upset with some of my previous comments!


If we differ on some view, it doesn't mean I'm "upset". Similarly, I didn't post this because I think one way or the other about anyone being "one of the best GC journalists" ... But what is interesting about this (whole) article is that there isn't a single mention of Greece!

The warmongers were Turkey and CIA...


There isn't a single mention of Greece.. yeah... that's waht makes him the best GC journalist. Mama Greece admires him a lot because of his "unbiased" viewpoint.


You don't know what you are talking about. The article was an American Chronicle write-up by Nicolas Mottas and there is a mention of a "GC journalist" but he's not the instigator of the article. I don't think "Mama Greece" has ever heard of him :lol:

But what is it you don't like, insan? The fact that the FACTS are coming out now?


No no no! To the contrary, I like to hear the truths and the "truths"... Even I like to hear allegations, blaming games...

....It's a very difficult situation to be caught in between 2 fires.(R u aware of it?) That was the situation for US administration when it comes to mediation between 2 important allies of NATO...

... be sure... if Turks and TCs had been in the situation of Greeks and GCs, I guess most probably they would have done almost the same things GCs and Greeks have done... As for me, in such a case; I guess I would have defended the actions of GCs and Greeks(in essentials); most probably....
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:07 pm

Grivas died in January 1974. We cannot blame the coup on him.
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Re: Makarios Droushiotis...

Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:08 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
cymart wrote:Is one of the best G.C. journalists who can see the Cyprus problem from an unbiased viewpoint so I thank Oracle for making this posting,even though I realise I made her very upset with some of my previous comments!


If we differ on some view, it doesn't mean I'm "upset". Similarly, I didn't post this because I think one way or the other about anyone being "one of the best GC journalists" ... But what is interesting about this (whole) article is that there isn't a single mention of Greece!

The warmongers were Turkey and CIA...


There isn't a single mention of Greece.. yeah... that's waht makes him the best GC journalist. Mama Greece admires him a lot because of his "unbiased" viewpoint.


You don't know what you are talking about. The article was an American Chronicle write-up by Nicolas Mottas and there is a mention of a "GC journalist" but he's not the instigator of the article. I don't think "Mama Greece" has ever heard of him :lol:

But what is it you don't like, insan? The fact that the FACTS are coming out now?


No no no! To the contrary, I like to hear the truths and the "truths"... Even I like to hear allegations, blaming games...

....It's a very difficult situation to be caught in between 2 fires.(R u aware of it?) That was the situation for US administration when it comes to mediation between 2 important allies of NATO...

... be sure... if Turks and TCs had been in the situation of Greeks and GCs, I guess most probably they would have done almost the same things GCs and Greeks have done... As for me, in such a case; I guess I would have defended the actions of GCs and Greeks(in essentials); most probably....


What rubbish you do spout ...

The US were not "mediating" between two NATO countries ... they were using them to further their own ends whilst Turkey was taking USA aid, saying one thing and doing another.

The evil guys are the CIA and Turkey ... even Kissinger said so! :roll:
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Postby insan » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:03 pm

9. When asked for specifics on MAKARIOS, Ioannides stated that according to Greek information, MAKARIOS was alive and in hands of British at Episkopi Base; he had gone there with assistance of Canadians and British on island.

10. At this point Ioannides summed up as follows:

A) He stressed that he too had a God; he was definitely not anti-American; “even a jackass needed a post to be tied to” and in his case it was the U.S.

B) His hasty decision on 13 July might have been stupid. Instead of abandoning Cyprus and letting U.S. worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots. :lol:


C) Greece would do whatever was necessary to preserve its national identity and to stay anti-Communist. If this meant keeping Yiaros open it would stay open as long as it was necessary and he would accept no static from anyone on this score. Indeed, he had instructed a Greek official to tell British officially that whenever the British let Irish political prisoners out of British jails, he would free the forty-two Greek political prisoners on Yiaros.




It seems like, US administration warned Ionnides to withdraw his fascist officers from Cyprus, on 13th of July... but he, by himself decided to protect the US interest and supposedly saved US "worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots." :lol:

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -76v30/d88

What do u think, Oracle? Does it seem like a conspiracy of CIA and Turkey?

It has never been in the interests of US, CIA or Kissinger to lead 2 countries into a conflict or a war... Claiming the otherwise is pure galimatias...
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