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GC PORTS BACKLASH!

Postby MrH » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:46 am

Hi all,

Please refer to the below opinion of Barcin Yinanc, a good friend of mine, as it will give the blind Greek Cypriots an insight of how the EU Com' is viewing the Cyprus problem and how the GC ports failed strategy to force Turkey into opening its ports unconditionally to the GC Controlled ROC will ultimately smack them in the face. Sorry guys but your ports move may well eventually go against when the BIG boys next meet. I have told the GCs of this forum many times over to stop dreaming and to understand Turkey's importance to the EU in the year 2009 and then on. But, obviously, most GCs are still living in the past with their attachment to "penniless and corrupt" Greece/Hellenic stance and so called "Cypriot" future state. We are TURKISH Cypriots and you are GREEK Cypriots. We are NOT just "CYPRIOTS", that clearly does not exist,and never Will. I look forward to seeing Ercan airport open for international traffic in the near future, Don't you?

P.s - Please keep you illusions GC comments civilised, if you can!


OPINION in Hurriyet newspaper.

BARÇIN Y?NANÇ

A group of distinguished Europeans that came together with the support of the Open Society Foundation have recently released their report on Turkish-European Union relations. The report penned by the group, which comprises former politicians headed by Nobel peace award winner Martti Ahtisaari, also focuses in detail on the Cyprus problem, which has become inseparable from Turkey’s accession process.

The report urges the two sides on the island to arrive at a settlement in order to remove obstacles to the accession negotiations between Turkey and the EU. It puts forward concrete proposals to give impetus to the talks that so far have made little progress. One of the proposals is to hold frequent high-level visits to the island to encourage both sides for a solution. Interestingly, the group of wise men did not envisage the idea of going to the island themselves until their meeting with Ollie Rehn, European commissioner for enlargement.

Rehn will soon finalize the progress report on Turkey’s accession negotiations, which is expected to be released by mid-October. One of the most critical parts of the report will be on Cyprus. The deadline given to Turkey by the EU to open its ports to shipping from Greek Cyprus ends this year.

It is a known fact that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an has decided not to open the ports unless the EU fulfills its promises to lessen the isolation of Turkish Cyprus. Hence a unilateral decision by Turkey on the issue of ports is out of the question. It will also take a miracle to see a permanent solution to the divided island looming on the horizon by mid-October.

Rehn will have to therefore take note of the situation and register it as a fact that Turkey has not fulfilled its commitments vis a vis Greek Cyprus. He will most probably forget to mention that the Commission likewise has failed to fulfill its promises to Turkish Cyprus.

At any rate, the EU leaders will decide during their December summit on their course of action. No one in Turkey seems to take seriously the possibility of new sanctions. Talks on at least a dozen chapters are already suspended because of Greek Cyprus and France. Negotiations on the rest of the chapters cannot start mainly because Turkey is not ready. It will be difficult for the EU to suspend additional chapters. The EU has therefore limited leverage over Turkey. Some claim, however, that the EU cannot stay idle in the situation. The Greek Cypriot government already said in a statement released last week that Turkey’s accession course “cannot continue unimpeded without sanctions” if it does not “honor its pledge to open its ports and airports to Cypriot traffic.”

There are rumors that the EU can implement some sanctions on bilateral trade. Such an act would definitely further hamper Turkish-EU relations, which are already in a standstill.

In order to avoid further deterioration of relations, the European Commission seems to be working for a way out. If fact, they are trying to revive a proposal that came to the agenda in the past. The deal based on opening ports to Greek shipping in exchange for opening the Ercan airport in Turkish Cyprus to international air traffic coupled with direct trade with Turkish Cyprus has failed in the past.

The reasoning behind the Greek Cypriots who objected to the deal in the past has not changed today. The chances for a midterm solution also seem to be dim.

Yet it would be naïve on their part to fall into the delusion that Turkey will open its ports to Greek shipping in fear of potential EU sanctions. They are mistaken in thinking that they can use the EU’s leverage in order to obtain a solution on the island that will suit best their interests. Everyone knows that unless a tangible solution looms on the horizon, Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat will be replaced by a more hawkish figure in next year’s elections.

If they continue like that, Greek Cypriots risk ending up with the most undesired solution for them: a solution based on two states.
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Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:23 pm

Keep dreaming Mr H unless we give the EU permision nothing will happen. Turkey is shitting it self why do you think Talta was in New York asking for American to help with the the settlement.

You TC's live in dream land. Yor little empire will collapse and you will be part of United Cyprus on our terms not yours. How many times are we going to hear the same crap that you are going to have isolation lifted. It hasnt happened and it wont until we say so.
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Re: GC PORTS BACKLASH!

Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:30 pm

MrH wrote:...most GCs are still living in the past with their attachment to "penniless and corrupt" Greece/Hellenic stance and so called "Cypriot" future state

Out of the three the RoC is the most solvent with Turkey in debt up to her ears, so facts & figures don’t seem to support this part of your theory.

We are NOT just "CYPRIOTS", that clearly does not exist,

You have the pleasure of talking to an authentic 100% Cypriot right here and right now… :wink:

NB: Permission is granted to go tell all your friends! 8)
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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:40 pm

Open up Tymbou Airport Now! ....

Under the Jurisdiction of The (Legal) Republic and under this gov's air traffic control, FIR and customs and immigration control.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:17 pm

"Turkey will open its ports to Greek shipping in fear of potential EU sanctions."

Greek shipping?!!!!! Obviously the writer is not conversant with the facts. Greek ships are not excluded from Turkish ports, neither are Cypriot owned ships under other flags.

The writer of the piece has not talked to French, German, Austrian government officials. They are the real obstacle and they have nothing to do with Cyprus.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:19 pm

Mr H, apparently you don't like the realities and you like to substitute them with your illusions.

There might be a few proponents of the Turkish accession in the EU (publicly these proponents include Cyprus and Greece) but the fact is that the vast majority of EU countries and the vast majority of EU citizens will not accept Turkey in its current barbaric state, but only if and when it becomes civilized and European - something which among other things requires the respect of the sovereignty of all other EU members.

The fact is that even your best friends in EU, the British, can not help you realize your dreams. Just recently a British Court rejected your attempt to legalize flights to the illegal airport of Ercan. If you can't even manage to pass what you want in a single country which are your best friends, then you are obviously dreaming about getting what you want from EU, a Union of countries which includes members that are not willing to make you any favors and where Cyprus and Greece hold veto powers.

So stop dreaming and face the reality that in Cyprus there is only one state, the Republic of Cyprus, and only one people, the citizens of Republic of Cyprus. Everything beyond that is legally invalid and no amount of illusions will help you to get rid of this reality. The only thing that you can do is either accept legality or continue acting illegally and face the consequences.
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Postby London » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:27 pm

Piratis wrote:
So stop dreaming and face the reality that in Cyprus there is only one state, the Republic of Cyprus, and only one people, the citizens of Republic of Cyprus. Everything beyond that is legally invalid and no amount of illusions will help you to get rid of this reality. The only thing that you can do is either accept legality or continue acting illegally and face the consequences.


Piratis i think its you that needs to come to terms with reality. At this moment in time there are 2 states in Cyprus, one being the TRNC. Just because the TRNC is not recognised, it does not mean it doesn't exist!!
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Re: GC PORTS BACKLASH!

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:28 pm

MrH wrote:Hi all,

Please refer to the below opinion of Barcin Yinanc, a good friend of mine, as it will give the blind Greek Cypriots an insight of how the EU Com' is viewing the Cyprus problem and how the GC ports failed strategy to force Turkey into opening its ports unconditionally to the GC Controlled ROC will ultimately smack them in the face.


Well in that case, Turkey's EU bid will also fall flat on its face, and there is nothing you could do about it.

Also, France and Germany don't think Turkey is important at all, otherwise they would not be so eager to keep Turkey out.

Sorry guys but your ports move may well eventually go against when the BIG boys next meet. I have told the GCs of this forum many times over to stop dreaming and to understand Turkey's importance to the EU in the year 2009 and then on.


France and Germany spit on your illusions of importance, and soon Cyprus will as well.

But, obviously, most GCs are still living in the past with their attachment to "penniless and corrupt" Greece/Hellenic stance and so called "Cypriot" future state.


Greece and Cyprus could buy Turkey many times over.

Greece almost controls your financial market's, does it not? :lol:

We are TURKISH Cypriots and you are GREEK Cypriots. We are NOT just "CYPRIOTS", that clearly does not exist,and never Will. I look forward to seeing Ercan airport open for international traffic in the near future, Don't you?


Speak for yourself. I am a Cypriot and that is all I need to mention.

As for ERCAN, it will only open if The Republic of Cyprus allows it to open, and these stipulations are enshrined within the ICAO Chicago Convention, which leaves the "trnc" between a RoC and a hard place....:cry:
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Re: GC PORTS BACKLASH!

Postby GeorgeV97qaue » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:35 pm

Paphitis wrote:
MrH wrote:Hi all,

Please refer to the below opinion of Barcin Yinanc, a good friend of mine, as it will give the blind Greek Cypriots an insight of how the EU Com' is viewing the Cyprus problem and how the GC ports failed strategy to force Turkey into opening its ports unconditionally to the GC Controlled ROC will ultimately smack them in the face.


Well in that case, Turkey's EU bid will also fall flat on its face, and there is nothing you could do about it.

Also, France and Germany don't think Turkey is important at all, otherwise they would not be so eager to keep Turkey out.

Sorry guys but your ports move may well eventually go against when the BIG boys next meet. I have told the GCs of this forum many times over to stop dreaming and to understand Turkey's importance to the EU in the year 2009 and then on.[/quoute]

France and Germany spit on your illusions of importance, and soon Cyprus will as well.

But, obviously, most GCs are still living in the past with their attachment to "penniless and corrupt" Greece/Hellenic stance and so called "Cypriot" future state.


Greece and Cyprus could buy Turkey many times over.

Greece almost controls your financial market's, does it not? :lol:

We are TURKISH Cypriots and you are GREEK Cypriots. We are NOT just "CYPRIOTS", that clearly does not exist,and never Will. I look forward to seeing Ercan airport open for international traffic in the near future, Don't you?


Speak for yourself. I am a Cypriot and that is all I need to mention.

As for ERCAN, it will only open if The Republic of Cyprus allows it to open, and these stipulations are enshrined within the ICAO Chicago Convention, which leaves the "trnc" between a RoC and a hard place....:cry:


Well said Paphitis. The TC's think Turkey is the centre of the world. Europe couldnt give a rats piss if Turkey joins or not. If they were that important I assure you the Cyprus problem would be solved and Turkey would already be in the EU.
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Postby MrH » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:51 pm

Piratis, Nikitas and Get Real,

What you all fail to realise is that The Cyprus issue to Turkey is just a small EU condition
Which was really settled immediately after the Annan Plan. You GCs said No and we TCs
Said yes, the EU failed to meet its obligations to remove the promised isolation of North
Cyprus, therefore neither Turkey or the Turkish Cypriots have no confidence that any other
Promise will ultimately be met - and that includes your minority rights!

Actually, due to Turkey's current geopolitical position in Many aspects, I wouldn't be surprised
if Turkey itself calls for a halt to its EU aspiration. That would be interesting. In reality boys,
Turkey really doesn't need to do anything on The Cyprus issue as it's already solved, divided
and has been living peacefully since 1974.

As for the ports issue. Turkey, I admit does have an EU obligation to open its ports to
"Cyprus", but we all know that, as the Cyprus issue to the Greek Cypriots is still not
Resolved and pending, Turkey can keep its You-open-your-ports-in-Greek cyprus- and-then-
We-will-open-ours-to-GREEK-Cyprus until the cows come home. Unless Turkey is
Given assurances that the ONLY element to its EU path is the opening of its ports to "Greek
Cyprus", don't ever expect that to materialise in the near future.

Thus, the only losers here really is the EU for angering America. Cyprus is an easily
Resolved pawn in the world of EU politics and Greco-Turko politics, where if a few
GCs are eventually sadden with their failed dominated Cyprus state no one will really
Raise an eyebrow at the UN or EU table. Keep dreaming if you really think your voices
Make a difference. I would have thought you would have realised this after 35 years of
Begging for your so-called properties back and the removal of Turkish troops from
Northern Cyprus.

So, let's all hold hands and face a future in Cyprus of two republic states living happily
Side by side.

Sent by my Blackberry so apologies for any typo errors
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