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Postby YFred » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:08 pm

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Oracle wrote:Image

Hubba hubba .... 8)

You're a very sick woman... :?

Have you just realised that?
You must be a very sick man, get some help, you must need more help than she does.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:11 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Image

Hubba hubba .... 8)

You're a very sick woman... :?

Have you just realised that?
You must be a very sick man, get some help, you must need more help than she does.

It's the first time she revealed her sexual preferences that I know of... :lol:
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Postby YFred » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:12 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Image

Hubba hubba .... 8)

You're a very sick woman... :?

Have you just realised that?
You must be a very sick man, get some help, you must need more help than she does.

It's the first time she revealed her sexual preferences that I know of... :lol:

So you have not been reading between the lines? :lol: :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:15 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Image

Hubba hubba .... 8)

You're a very sick woman... :?

Have you just realised that?
You must be a very sick man, get some help, you must need more help than she does.

It's the first time she revealed her sexual preferences that I know of... :lol:

So you have not been reading between the lines? :lol: :lol:

I thought when it comes to sex you only read between the legs... :?
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Postby YFred » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Image

Hubba hubba .... 8)

You're a very sick woman... :?

Have you just realised that?
You must be a very sick man, get some help, you must need more help than she does.

It's the first time she revealed her sexual preferences that I know of... :lol:

So you have not been reading between the lines? :lol: :lol:

I thought when it comes to sex you only read between the legs... :?

Not if they are crossed! You would need an electron microscope and low and behold she is the one that's got it :lol: :lol: . How much bad luck can a man face in a day?
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:22 pm

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Nikitas wrote:There is a TC mythology, reproduced in this thread as well as others, that the Greek Orthodox church was floundering under the Venetians. This is a wonderful way to portray the Ottomans as some kind of quasi liberators.

So gentlemen, where are the libraries of Greek books in Nicosia, written and printed during Ottoman rule? Where are the works of GC music and architecture and grand churches built from 1571 to 1878?

How do you explain that many Greek manuscripts were written and published in Venice both before and after 1571? If the Venetians were such harsh oppressors why did they encourage and promote Greek letters?

Have yo guys been to Venice, have you noticed that the city honors its ties with Greeks?

Where are the great works of art from co-moslems, the Arabs, during the Ottoman occupation, comparable to those that the Arabs created before the conquest?

Fact is tht the Ottomans were mere tax collectors who did not give a damn about the people they conquered. Nothing more.


Quite true Nikitas.

I posted an article on this some time ago which spelled out how the Venetians spoke Greek on Cyprus and mixed and married with Greeks, who where allowed to administer in high Office etc ... They respected the traditions of the Byzantium and tried to protect this Island against the hordes they saw coming ....



Nor did the long period of Ottoman rule (1570-1878) change Greek Cypriot culture. The Ottomans tended to administer their multicultural empire with the help of their subject millets, or religious communities. The tolerance of the millet system permitted the Greek Cypriot community to survive, administered for Constantinople by the Archbishop of the Church of Cyprus, who became the community's head, or ethnarch.

Source: U.S. Library of Congress

If Piratis and other zealots claims that the Ottomans object was to slaughter and annihilate , how did the GO Church survive? :lol: By the grace of the Otto's.


Are ability to survive is due to our strength and has nothing to do with your attempt to make out you were fair slave-drivers; or, not out to simply annihilate us.

Our main strength was our majority number against your constant minority ... God help us if you ever had equal-power sharing with us. We would become extinct ....!


Oracle, I was not expecting you to thank the Otto's but they did 'allow' your archbishops to run the island till corruption set in.


Did they "allow" us our archbishops or were they resigned to the fact they could NOT enslave them ... long-live our GO priests! 8) 8) 8)



Another link here. Very interesting. No wonder they are the richest in the island. The bishops had the acumen of Jews. :lol:
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Cyprus
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Postby Oracle » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:47 pm

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Hubba hubba .... 8)

You're a very sick woman... :?


Reh that's no way to speak to a Babathkia! :roll:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:54 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Nikitas wrote:There is a TC mythology, reproduced in this thread as well as others, that the Greek Orthodox church was floundering under the Venetians. This is a wonderful way to portray the Ottomans as some kind of quasi liberators.

So gentlemen, where are the libraries of Greek books in Nicosia, written and printed during Ottoman rule? Where are the works of GC music and architecture and grand churches built from 1571 to 1878?

How do you explain that many Greek manuscripts were written and published in Venice both before and after 1571? If the Venetians were such harsh oppressors why did they encourage and promote Greek letters?

Have yo guys been to Venice, have you noticed that the city honors its ties with Greeks?

Where are the great works of art from co-moslems, the Arabs, during the Ottoman occupation, comparable to those that the Arabs created before the conquest?

Fact is tht the Ottomans were mere tax collectors who did not give a damn about the people they conquered. Nothing more.


Quite true Nikitas.

I posted an article on this some time ago which spelled out how the Venetians spoke Greek on Cyprus and mixed and married with Greeks, who where allowed to administer in high Office etc ... They respected the traditions of the Byzantium and tried to protect this Island against the hordes they saw coming ....



Nor did the long period of Ottoman rule (1570-1878) change Greek Cypriot culture. The Ottomans tended to administer their multicultural empire with the help of their subject millets, or religious communities. The tolerance of the millet system permitted the Greek Cypriot community to survive, administered for Constantinople by the Archbishop of the Church of Cyprus, who became the community's head, or ethnarch.

Source: U.S. Library of Congress

If Piratis and other zealots claims that the Ottomans object was to slaughter and annihilate , how did the GO Church survive? :lol: By the grace of the Otto's.


Are ability to survive is due to our strength and has nothing to do with your attempt to make out you were fair slave-drivers; or, not out to simply annihilate us.

Our main strength was our majority number against your constant minority ... God help us if you ever had equal-power sharing with us. We would become extinct ....!


Oracle, I was not expecting you to thank the Otto's but they did 'allow' your archbishops to run the island till corruption set in.


Did they "allow" us our archbishops or were they resigned to the fact they could NOT enslave them ... long-live our GO priests! 8) 8) 8)



Another link here. Very interesting. No wonder they are the richest in the island. The bishops had the acumen of Jews. :lol:
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Cyprus


I don't care if they are rich ... I am not a material girl! 8)

Bread and wine will do for me ... preferably delivered straight into my pouting mouth with one of their delicate silver spoons, whilst ever so gently lifting my chin with their soft un-worked hands and then anointing me lightly with a little olive oil, whispering Biblical fantasies in Koine Greek .... 8)
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:05 am

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:
Nikitas wrote:There is a TC mythology, reproduced in this thread as well as others, that the Greek Orthodox church was floundering under the Venetians. This is a wonderful way to portray the Ottomans as some kind of quasi liberators.

So gentlemen, where are the libraries of Greek books in Nicosia, written and printed during Ottoman rule? Where are the works of GC music and architecture and grand churches built from 1571 to 1878?

How do you explain that many Greek manuscripts were written and published in Venice both before and after 1571? If the Venetians were such harsh oppressors why did they encourage and promote Greek letters?

Have yo guys been to Venice, have you noticed that the city honors its ties with Greeks?

Where are the great works of art from co-moslems, the Arabs, during the Ottoman occupation, comparable to those that the Arabs created before the conquest?

Fact is tht the Ottomans were mere tax collectors who did not give a damn about the people they conquered. Nothing more.


Quite true Nikitas.

I posted an article on this some time ago which spelled out how the Venetians spoke Greek on Cyprus and mixed and married with Greeks, who where allowed to administer in high Office etc ... They respected the traditions of the Byzantium and tried to protect this Island against the hordes they saw coming ....



Nor did the long period of Ottoman rule (1570-1878) change Greek Cypriot culture. The Ottomans tended to administer their multicultural empire with the help of their subject millets, or religious communities. The tolerance of the millet system permitted the Greek Cypriot community to survive, administered for Constantinople by the Archbishop of the Church of Cyprus, who became the community's head, or ethnarch.

Source: U.S. Library of Congress

If Piratis and other zealots claims that the Ottomans object was to slaughter and annihilate , how did the GO Church survive? :lol: By the grace of the Otto's.


Are ability to survive is due to our strength and has nothing to do with your attempt to make out you were fair slave-drivers; or, not out to simply annihilate us.

Our main strength was our majority number against your constant minority ... God help us if you ever had equal-power sharing with us. We would become extinct ....!


Oracle, I was not expecting you to thank the Otto's but they did 'allow' your archbishops to run the island till corruption set in.


Did they "allow" us our archbishops or were they resigned to the fact they could NOT enslave them ... long-live our GO priests! 8) 8) 8)



Another link here. Very interesting. No wonder they are the richest in the island. The bishops had the acumen of Jews. :lol:
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Cyprus


I don't care if they are rich ... I am not a material girl! 8)

Bread and wine will do for me ... preferably delivered straight into my pouting mouth with one of their delicate silver spoons, whilst ever so gently lifting my chin with their soft un-worked hands and then anointing me lightly with a little olive oil, whispering Biblical fantasies in Koine Greek .... 8)


...and there was me thinking you were Godless. :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:10 am

The Ottomans did not slaughter and annihilate because they could not tax corpses. The taxation system was the way to reward the ruling classes and the empire. The machinations of officials for a posting to a rich tax bearing area are legion since the lord kept some of the tax for himself. Conquest for the Ottomans was nothing more than milking a ready made system, it hardly ever advanced to the creatin of wealth.

Compare Rhodos under the centuries of Ottoman rule with the thrity years of Italian rule. The Italians did more for the island in thirty years than the Ottomans ever did. The same goes for the rest of the Dodecanese islands. The difference is not found in the wealth of each colonial power, but more in its creativity and its concept of its own role towards their subjects.

And the Orthodox Church in Rhodes did just fine under the Italians.
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