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[Piratis]

OK ! But you too ! Damage that formed from 1963 to 2004 !

So let's compensate all refugees, GC and TC, starting from 1950s.

No problem. For the period between 1963-1974 I agree 200% that GC should pay compensations to the affected TCs. After 74 though, in most cases (not all) the compensation for both GC and TC should come from Turkey.

[metecyp]

After 74 though, in most cases (not all) the compensation for both GC and TC should come from Turkey.

Don't you think that Greece has some responsibility as well? Wasn't the Greek coup in Cyprus the starting point for everything that happenned in 1974?

Besides, how did you expect a TC living in the south to feel safe in 1974? Wasn't there an agreement for population exchange for people remaining in the other area? Wasn't it normal for a TC to flee from the south to the north in order to feel safe? Why should Turkey compensate that TC? TCs did not flee the south because of Turkey. TCs fled because they didn't feel safe around GCs. Am I wrong?

And as a side note, let's assume that TCs and GCs agreed to a perfect solution, and they agreed that Turkey should pay all the damage of 1974. Even in this situation, do you sincerely believe that Turkey will be willing to pay for all these compensations? I'm just trying to be realistic here about what we can expect fro m Turkey. Asking Turkey to pay for all compensation is putting all the blame on Turkey and even if TCs agree with this, I feel like Turkey won't. So asking this (full compensation from Turkey) for a permanent solution seems not too realistic to me.

[Piratis]

Don't you think that Greece has some responsibility as well? Wasn't the Greek coup in Cyprus the starting point for everything that happened in 1974?

if "everything" that happened in 1974 was 1)coup, 2)Turkish intervention to restore Republic of Cyprus then Greece not only would have some responsibility but they (and their local supporters) would have the whole responsibility.
Unfortunately Turkey used the coup as an excuse to occupy Cyprus. So yes, Greece has responsibility for the loss of some lives (mostly GC) etc, but they are not responsible for the results of 30 years of Turkish occupation.

Besides, how did you expect a TC living in the south to feel safe in 1974? Wasn't there an agreement for population exchange for people remaining in the other area? Wasn't it normal for a TC to flee from the south to the north in order to feel safe? Why should Turkey compensate that TC? TCs did not flee the south because of Turkey. TCs fled because they didn't feel safe around GCs. Am I wrong?

No, but the above wouldn't happen if the invasion didn't happen. Also, as I said above, Turkey had the right to intervene to restore order. So if they intervened, restored order, and then left, then all TCs and GCs would be able to return to their homes and not as much damage would be done. The damage is done from the 30 years the illegal occupation, and Turkey is responsible for this.

And as a side note, let's assume that TCs and GCs agreed to a perfect solution, and they agreed that Turkey should pay all the damage of 1974. Even in this situation, do you sincerely believe that Turkey will be willing to pay for all these compensations? I'm just trying to be realistic here about what we can expect fro m Turkey. Asking Turkey to pay for all compensation is putting all the blame on Turkey and even if TCs agree with this, I feel like Turkey won't. So asking this (full compensation from Turkey) for a permanent solution seems not too realistic to me.

Turkey gets billions as financial aid. And I believe it currently supports "TRNC" with hundreds of thousands every year. And they spent millions (billions?) for the military. So if they had to pay they would find the money. The key phrase here is if they had to, otherwise of course they wouldn't give a cent.

[PEACE]

Unfortunately Turkey used the coup as an excuse to occupy Cyprus. So yes, Greece has responsibility for the loss of some lives (mostly GC) etc, but they are not responsible for the results of 30 years of Turkish occupation.

Yes,they have ! Think from this side ! If the Greek Junta didn't make coup to Cyprus than Turkey's intervene and occupation won't be !

No, but the above wouldn't happen if the invasion didn't happen.

What was the reason of invasion dear Piratis?

Unfortunately Turkey used the coup as an excuse to occupy Cyprus.

I strongly agree with you!

Turkey gets billions as financial aid.

I haven't heard about this !

Why is she is getting? Whats the reason of financial aids?

Who is giving these aids to Turkey?

When they started to give financial aid to Turkey?


Thanks,

PEACE

[MicAtCyp]

Compensation from whom??
From some people of Mars maybe? Or should the GCs compensate themselves from their own pockets?
And who will be the lucky ones who will get the stolen properties free of charge?

As none of the above options, is an option for me I cannot vote.I repeat my proposal posted a couple of weeks ago

"the property committee described in the Anan Plan must deal ONLY with exchange of approximately equal properties.The State must help with long term loans so that most TC properties get exchanged with GC ones.Forget about stupid clauses for 1/3(!!!) regaining, 2/3 expropriating on properties as per Anan Plan because this is fascism"

The properties that will be left unexchanged must return to the legal owners.The present user and the legal owner must agree what to do, or go to court. Until a decision is taken by the court, both the rights of users and the rights of owners must be respected, i.e no one can take anyone in the streets plus financial compensation to the owner (GC or TC) for the loss of use as long as this continues after a solution.