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[halil]

Member of the Turkish Cypriots negotiations team- law expert Tufan Erhurman has evaluated the proposal on federal executive as put forward by the TRNC President Mehmet Ali Talat, to the TAK News Agency.

The proposal envisages the election of members of federal presidency by the Senate, from a single list of candidates.

Associate Professor Erhurman said the proposal, presented under the Chapter on Governance and Power-Sharing, envisages coalition and cooperation among Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot political parties, in the establishment leg of the federal government to be.

He said however that senators will be elected separately by the two peoples of Cyprus and thus the principle of ‘two separate democracies’ will not be removed.

On rotatory presidency, which is a ‘must’ for the Turkish side, Erhurman said the Greek Cypriot side has accepted this.

Details of the presidential system include the election of Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot senators separately by their own communities.

Senators will be of equal number from both sides and the Senate will be formed by 48 members in total, half Turkish Cypriots and half Greek Cypriots.

Members of Presidency, one Turkish Cypriot and one Greek Cypriot, will be elected from a single list of candidates.

The first round of elections foresees 50% plus 1 of the votes, that is 25 votes.

Those 25 votes are the votes of Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot parliamentarians where the number of parliamentarians will not be less then 12 on each side.

If the first election round ends in failure, then the same procedure will apply in the second round.

Two federal senate ballot papers with highest votes will enter the third round if necessary.

If the third round fails too, the biggest Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot political parties, will form an election government which will operate until another election takes place a year after.

“If we look at today’s conditions, the National Unity Party (UBP) would have the largest number of parliamentarians in the federal Senate as it is now the biggest in the TRNC Parliament. If rules above applied, the UBP would be able to form a coalition with the biggest Greek Cypriot political party to come up with a common list of candidates for the next election” Mr Erhurman explained.

The law expert said it is natural to see those against a federal settlement criticize such a proposal, but it will be very much surprising to see if those who favour a federal settlement reject such coalition and cooperation by the Senate.


more details in Turkish at below link.

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=12420&z=19

[Nikitas]

maybe the law expert should also state that this a system unique in the world, no other federal state has such a system. Separation at all costs cuts both ways.

[YFred]

maybe the law expert should also state that this a system unique in the world, no other federal state has such a system. Separation at all costs cuts both ways.

Nikitas, we are not about to loose our special status.

[Kikapu]

Member of the Turkish Cypriots negotiations team- law expert Tufan Erhurman has evaluated the proposal on federal executive as put forward by the TRNC President Mehmet Ali Talat, to the TAK News Agency.

The proposal envisages the election of members of federal presidency by the Senate, from a single list of candidates.

Associate Professor Erhurman said the proposal, presented under the Chapter on Governance and Power-Sharing, envisages coalition and cooperation among Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot political parties, in the establishment leg of the federal government to be.

He said however that senators will be elected separately by the two peoples of Cyprus and thus the principle of ‘two separate democracies’ will not be removed.

On rotatory presidency, which is a ‘must’ for the Turkish side, Erhurman said the Greek Cypriot side has accepted this.

Details of the presidential system include the election of Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot senators separately by their own communities.

Senators will be of equal number from both sides and the Senate will be formed by 48 members in total, half Turkish Cypriots and half Greek Cypriots.

Members of Presidency, one Turkish Cypriot and one Greek Cypriot, will be elected from a single list of candidates.

The first round of elections foresees 50% plus 1 of the votes, that is 25 votes.

Those 25 votes are the votes of Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot parliamentarians where the number of parliamentarians will not be less then 12 on each side.

If the first election round ends in failure, then the same procedure will apply in the second round.

Two federal senate ballot papers with highest votes will enter the third round if necessary.

If the third round fails too, the biggest Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot political parties, will form an election government which will operate until another election takes place a year after.

“If we look at today’s conditions, the National Unity Party (UBP) would have the largest number of parliamentarians in the federal Senate as it is now the biggest in the TRNC Parliament. If rules above applied, the UBP would be able to form a coalition with the biggest Greek Cypriot political party to come up with a common list of candidates for the next election” Mr Erhurman explained.

The law expert said it is natural to see those against a federal settlement criticize such a proposal, but it will be very much surprising to see if those who favour a federal settlement reject such coalition and cooperation by the Senate.


more details in Turkish at below link.

http://www.yeniduzen.com/detay.asp?a=12420&z=19

With the above proposed system, there won't be any need for a Federal system of two states at all, because it will be no different than what it was in 1960, which means, a Unitary state, which means RoC can remain as such and everyone can go back to their land with no separation of territory, since each community will have 24 seats in the senate and only each community can vote for those senate seats. Well, that can be done no matter where one lives and no longer requires to have a separate state of north and south as what "BBF" requires. The other problem I see with such an agreement, there won't be any desire by the north to give any GC land back to the GCs to become part of the GC state and at the same time, limit the presence of GCs in the north. Why.?

If each community is going to vote for their own people in the senate, what difference does it make on how many GC's live in the north.? They won't be able to vote for a TC candidate, so why limit them, therefore let everyone live where ever they want, if a TC can vote for a senator from the north while living in the south state, why have any states at all, because once you start doing that, you will no longer have a unified country and the dangers of 1963 will always be present, specially when each community will control half of the senate seats who can pull them out of the government to cause constitutional crises if they chose to do so for what ever reasons, specially after setting well defined state lines and territory, and the TCs insisting on keeping Turkish Troops in the north . I don't think so somehow. The only way the above can be accepted by the majority of Cypriots I believe, if we were to stay as a Unitary state as per 1960, or else the risks are too high with two "Federated state" using a unitary state system of governance of the 1960's.

[YFred]

So easy when you understand it. What on earth was the argument about for 35 years. Bloody hell. What waste.

Let us see if there are any discussions regarding areas of the two communities. One consideration may be will those lovely RoC policeman give the same fantastic protection to the TCs they gave in 63 and 64. Another, will the GC administration be able to not only control but actually take some action against those who murder innocent civilians. Will they give it in writing or will it be just a verbal promise.
Interesting developments ahead I must say.

[Christine Toskos]

It is true that the Greeks of Cyprus enjoy democracy. However, the Turkish Cypriots are suffering oppression from their master: Turkey. They have very little opportunities. No education, no universal medical plan, high infant mortality and the average life span for Turkish Cypriots is 56 -65. While Greek Cypriots life span for both men and women is 79 - 90.

This proves that the Turkish Cypriots jealousy of the freedoms we Greeks enjoy. There is only one real answer for Cyprus: One Cyprus North South East West!

[Get Real!]

...no universal medical plan,

That would be handy to get your head examined by the finest psychiatrists around the world but alas...

[YFred]

...no universal medical plan,

That would be handy to get your head examined by the finest psychiatrists around the world but alas...

We may have to revert to more drastic measure, "electric shocks".
Is there enough electricity around these days? Is it AC or DC? or both.

[Nikitas]

"Nikitas, we are not about to loose our special status."

Maybe you are not thinking things through. Separation, on the lines proposed by some, might not be such a hot idea for TCs down the road. If, as predicted, the population will live mostly in the south, then voting will be influenced by the needs of the south. Just think of how senators whose children are employed in the south woud vote.

Eroglu and Serdar Denktash have still not gotten it through their heads that no matter what they want, people will gravitate to where the wealth is, and wealth is created, not found. For the first ten years after any possible settlement the major employer in Cyprus will be the GCs who will be paying out of t hei rown pockets to rebuild Famagusta. And that is just one project, among many more that will be going on in the south. People tend to vote with their wallets.

So if we think things through a little it might not be such a bad idea for TCs to adopt Christofias' plan for the presidency rather than Talat's.

Unless ofcourse there are plans to keep the TCs permanently locked up in the north, in which case as they say in poker, I pass.

[YFred]

"Nikitas, we are not about to loose our special status."

Maybe you are not thinking things through. Separation, on the lines proposed by some, might not be such a hot idea for TCs down the road. If, as predicted, the population will live mostly in the south, then voting will be influenced by the needs of the south. Just think of how senators whose children are employed in the south woud vote.

Eroglu and Serdar Denktash have still not gotten it through their heads that no matter what they want, people will gravitate to where the wealth is, and wealth is created, not found. For the first ten years after any possible settlement the major employer in Cyprus will be the GCs who will be paying out of t hei rown pockets to rebuild Famagusta. And that is just one project, among many more that will be going on in the south. People tend to vote with their wallets.

So if we think things through a little it might not be such a bad idea for TCs to adopt Christofias' plan for the presidency rather than Talat's.

Unless ofcourse there are plans to keep the TCs permanently locked up in the north, in which case as they say in poker, I pass.

Nikitas, this is not about personal gain. It is about security. Judging by the behaviour of the RoC police even when you are in the EU, security is a major issue after economic survival. It could even be the other way round but they are the top two.